Allen Breed, of Lynn - Origins

Started by Erica Howton on Monday, January 27, 2020
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Richardson B. Allen Notes:

The baptisms are in Pulloxhill Parish, Bedfordshire, England, not Westoninge Parish, Bedfordshire, England.

Richardson B. Allen
1/24/2020 at 4:37 PM
Starting to find my old records. For instance, the parish registers of Westoninge Parish, Bedfordshire, England, list

1) the marriage of Allen Bread & Elizabeth Wheeler on the 14th of November 1622
2) Allen the sonne of Allen Bread & Elizabeth bapt. 27th Jan 1630[/1]
3) Elizabeth the daughter of Allen Bread and Elizabeth his wife was bapt. on Stephens day September 26 1634 (suggesting that Allen had not gone to the colonies yet!)

Will of Thomas Wheeler of Cranfield, 7 Dec 1627, probate 4 Feb 1634, mentions daughter Elizabeth Bread & son in law Allen Bread

And more to find!

Some of the old discussions say that "Breed Family histories claim that Allen and family arrived with the Governor Winthrop Fleet in 1630, sailing on the ARABELLA", but the will of Thomas Wheeler and Allen's mother's will both suggest that he was still in England after the Governor Winthrop Fleet. Time to look at the original wills again. My records show that there were wills of all the Bread, Wheeler & Pratchet families in England.

The records show that most of the family of John Breed (Bread, Brede, etc.) lived in Westoning, Bedfordshire, England.

Allen Breed's brother, John Bread, was baptized in Westoning on 29 January 1587/88. John brother of Allen was married to Judith Butt 5 October 1626 in Westoning, and his will shows that he also had a son named Allen Bread [Will of John Bread of Westoning, dated 13 Nov 1656, probated 20 Nov 1657, mentions (second wife) Elizabeth, eldest son Thomas Bread, second son Richard Bread, third son Barnard Bread, and three youngest children Elizabeth, Allen and Joseph Bread, wife Elizabeth executrix, neighbors John Allen and ____? ____? overseers. Children from Westoning parish register].

Other related families, such as the Pritchett and Wheeler families, lived in other towns.

Many of the early Parish Registers or Bishop's Transcripts [copies of the register sent every Easter to the bishop's registry under the Canon of 1597] of Bedfordshire were published by Bedford, County Record Office, Shire Hall, 1931-1953, and available in the Internet Archive: see title "Bedfordshire Parish Registers", volumes 1-44.

It has taken a few weeks to look at my data on Allen Breed of Bedfordshire, England, and Lynn, MA, but I'm ready to fix the profiles of his first one or two generations. The best information on the family was published in 1991-1993 in The Essex Genealogist [The Breed Family, Descendants of Allen Breed (or Bread) of Lynn, by Marcia Wiswall Lindberg, The Essex Genealogist, Nov 1991, 11:196-203; Feb, May, Aug, Nov 1992, 12:30-37, 100-107, 157-167, 211-220; Feb, May 1993, 13-40-50, 97-104; I also added at least one note in 1996], but not mentioned in the Geni profiles.

The necessary changes in the family will require moving several of the profiles and change their generation. This is in part because there were no or limited records of the vital records of the family in the first 20-30 years. It will take some to straighten out the family!

Richardson

After looking at the ancestors of Allen Bread-Breed, it is clear that his family is completely confused. Unfortunately, trying to merge some of the profiles would probably not work because some of the data is spread around several profiles, so however the merge is handled some data would be lost or not correct.

I tried an "ancestor report", but the report lists only some of the profiles. So the only way I can see to handle the English family it to copy all the profiles into Word or something similar, and use the copied profiles to modify the Geni profiles using selections of the existing profiles. Is it possible to create a gedcom of Allen's ancestors?

Sure, just export GEDcom from profile.

You might also want to use “create a branch” to plot out a new tree, and when ready, we’ll merge the existing profiles into it and conform the geni tree.

Sounds good, but I looked at all the attached files and options, and a GEDcom file is NOT listed as an option. Is it possible that this is because I am not a manager?

The profile of Allen Breed includes a suffix of "of Lynn", and the profile has a display name of "Allen Breed, of Lynn". The suffix should be deleted, but that part of the profile is locked.

Sorry, I forgot to add the profile address: Allen Breed, of Lynn

I am basically finished with the Bread (Breed) family of Bedfordshire, England. The texts by the Breed Family Association and Marcia Wiswall Lindberg show that the family of Allen Breed, of Lynn, (Allen Breed, of Lynn) has several problems in the Geni profiles. For instance, Timothy Breed, Joseph Breed and Miriam Breed were not children of Allen Breed, of Lynn. Also, the profile for Allen Breed, of Lynn, shows three wives, but there were only two. I will start working on the Breed family next. My mother is a Breed, a descendant of Allen Breed, and her Breed line has not moved more that 10 miles since Allen Breed arrived in Lynn. Many relatives over ~385 years!!!

Richardson

Can we clean up the profile for Allen Breed? The profile shows:

1 inconsistency found for Allen Breed, of Lynn
Allen Breed, of Lynn
Allen Breed, of Lynn has an unrecognized suffix (English (default): of Lynn).

So the "of Lynn" is a suffix in his name, and also shows in his Display Name. I can't fix the problem because that part of the profile is locked, so can someone else fix this?

Updated.

Thanks. I'm sorry, but the fourth name field in the Geni program is for suffixes such as Sr., Jr., 2nd, etc. The program does not recognize something like "of Lynn" in the suffix field, which is why the program marked this as an "inconsistency".

The suffix field has had different meanings over the years. In the early 1600's or earlier, suffixes like Sr. and Jr. were generally not used. Notice that John Bread of Westoning, Bedfordshire, England (father, son and grandson), were never listed as Sr. or Jr. In the mid-1600's to early 1800's, Sr., Jr., 2nd, etc. are used to distinguish between people with the same name in one town. My GGGG grandfather was one of 3 Ebenezer Allen's in Sandwich, MA, in the 1700's. The first adult named Ebenezer was called Sr. The second Ebenezer Allen, my GGGG grandfather, was a cousin of the first Ebenezer, and was called Jr.. The third Ebenezer Allen, a son of Ebenezer Allen Sr., was called 3rd. When Ebenezer Jr. and his son Ebenezer Allen moved to a new town in Maine, Ebenezer Jr. became simply Ebenezer Allen or sometimes Ebenezer Sr., and his son Ebenezer Allen was called Jr. When Ebenezer Sr. died, his son Ebenezer Jr. changed to simply Ebenezer Allen, and another Ebenezer Allen in the town was called Jr. The usage of Sr. and Jr. for father and son started to appear in the late 1700's to early 1800's, and became normal by the mid-1800's.

So be careful of the usage of the suffixes in the early Allen Breeds of Lynn!

There is confusion about the second wife of Allen Breed, of Lynn.

The profile of Allen's second wife (Elizabeth Breed), suggests that she was a daughter of a family named Lee. But the birth in the profile, listed as January 12, 1608, does not match the Elizabeth in Salford Priors, Warwickshire, England. She was baptized on 19 Oct 1609, a daughter of a John Egeock (Gent.) (see the FamilySearch.org record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6WSQ-5TQ?cc=146240...). There have been several suggestions for the maiden last name of Allen Breed's second wife, but her last name is still not certain.

Updated Elizabeth Breed

Historians in early America (and will evidence) often define and distinguish people with a location suffix, so we use that in Geni, similar to a “title suffix.” Inconsistencies complain; mark “ignore.”

Good to know. Thanks.

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