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There appears to be no primary source evidence that William de Courcy is the son of Robert II de Courci, baron of Stoke Courcy & Rohese de Grentemesnil

Disconnecting, pending someone finding them.

This appears to apply equally to Robert de Courcy Terry Jackson (Switzer) do you want to weigh in here?

I don't find parents for them, but Medlands has the year of death for this William de Courcy as September, 1176 (officially recorded in 1177).

1. WILLIAM de Courcy (-1177). m --- de Laigle, daughter of RICHER de Laigle & his wife . Robert of Torigny refers to the wife of "Guillermus de Curceio" as "filia Richerii de Aquila" when recording his death in 1177[1880].

[1880] Delisle, L. (ed.) (1872) Chronique de Robert de Torigni, abbé de Mont-Saint-Michel (Rouen), Vol. II, p. 63.

Obiit etiam Guillermus de Curceio relinquens par vulum filium ex filia Richerii de Aquila 4

4 Guillaume de Courcy sénéchal de Normandie mourut en 1176 et fut remplacé la même année au mois de septembre comme sénéchal par Richard évêque de Winchester Benoit, I, 124 et 125

I know little, this is one of my very early Curatorships and if you follow the tree back it leads to Richard I de Courcy curated by Pam Wilson. She has more knowledge of the French I think.

We can't always expect primary sources this far back.

That's a good source to follow Debra - thank you - I'll take a look

RE: We can't always expect primary sources this far back.

We can expect sources that we can be sure aren't just there to create fake medieval pedigrees.
These two were positioned as the sons of Rohese de Grentemesnil - giving me and many others her line as grandparents, but I'm battling to find the validity.

RE Pam Wilson

Yes, I agree - I'm also trying to cover for Pam here, Terry. Wish she would come back ;-/

Wait! Here it is....
i) ROBERT [II] de Courcy (-after 1102). "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1840]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1841]. Orderic Vitalis names "Rodbertus…Ricardi [de Curceio] filius" when recording his marriage[1842]. “…Rotberti de Curcei…” witnessed the charter dated [May 1092] under which William II King of England confirmed previous grants to Lincoln cathedral[1843]. “…Rotberti de Curci…” witnessed the charter dated Sep 1093 under which William II King of England donated property to Lincoln cathedral[1844]. m ROHESE de Grantmesnil, daughter of HUGUES de Grantmesnil & his wife Adelise de Beaumont. Orderic Vitalis names “Adelinam et Hadvisam, Rochesiam et Mathildem et Agnetem” as the daughters of “Hugo de Grentemaisnilio” and his wife “Adelidem filiam Ivonis comitis de Bellomonte”, adding that Rohese married “Roberto de Curceio”[1845]. Robert de Courcy & his wife had five children:

(a) ROBERT [III] de Courcy (-after 1129). Orderic Vitalis records that "Rodbertus de Curceio junior" was captured at Brémule, dated to [1119][1846]. "…Robert et Richard de Courcy…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Guillaume de Montfort" ceded revenue to "Enguerrand de Campo-Rotondo et à Lucie sa femme"[1847]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Rob de Curci" in Sussex[1848].

(b) four sons . Orderic Vitalis records that "Rodbertus…Ricardi [de Curceio] filius" married "Hugo de Grentesmaisnilio…filiam…Rochesiam" by whom he had five sons[1849]. https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntac.htm#_Toc157779269

And William :-)

RICHARD [I] de Courcy (-after [1091/92]). The relationship between Richard [I] de Courcy and Robert [I] de Courcy, if any, has not yet been established. "…Richard de Curci…" witnessed the charter dated 1069 under which William I King of England confirmed the donations of Roger de Montgommery to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Troarn[1828]. "…Hugo de Gurniaco, Ricardus de Curci, Rodulfus filius Herluini, Willelmus filius Hastenchi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1073] under which William I King of England confirmed the donation by "Nielli filii alterius Nielli" to the abbey of Marmoutier[1829]. "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1830]. "…Ricardo de Corceio…" witnessed a charter dated to [1077] under which William I King of England granted property to the abbey of Saint-Etienne de Caen[1831]. "…Richard de Curci…" witnessed the charter dated to [1077] under which William I King of England gave a wine cellar at Rouen to the monks of Caen Saint-Etienne[1832]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1833]. "…Richard de Curci" witnessed the charter dated 14 Jul 1080 under which William I King of England confirmed the foundation of the abbey of Lessay[1834]. Domesday Book records “Richard de Courcy” holding Nuneham Courtenay and land in Sarsden and Foscot in Oxfordshire[1835]. "…Ricardus de Corceio…" witnessed the charter dated 1089 under which Robert III Duke of Normandy confirmed the restoration of the monastery of Saint-Vigor near Bayeux[1836]. "…Richard de Curci…" witnessed the charter dated to [1091/92] under which William II King of England issued instructions to Stow abbey[1837]. m WANDELMODE, daughter of ---. "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1838]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1839]. Richard & his wife had two children:

i) ROBERT [II] de Courcy (-after 1102). Richard de Curciaco donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1840]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1841]. Orderic Vitalis names "Rodbertus…Ricardi [de Curceio] filius" when recording his marriage[1842]. “…Rotberti de Curcei…” witnessed the charter dated [May 1092] under which William II King of England confirmed previous grants to Lincoln cathedral[1843]. “…Rotberti de Curci…” witnessed the charter dated Sep 1093 under which William II King of England donated property to Lincoln cathedral[1844]. m ROHESE de Grantmesnil, daughter of HUGUES de Grantmesnil & his wife Adelise de Beaumont. Orderic Vitalis names “Adelinam et Hadvisam, Rochesiam et Mathildem et Agnetem” as the daughters of “Hugo de Grentemaisnilio” and his wife “Adelidem filiam Ivonis comitis de Bellomonte”, adding that Rohese married “Roberto de Curceio”[1845]. Robert de Courcy & his wife had five children:

(a) 'ROBERT [III] de Courcy (-after 1129). Orderic Vitalis records that "Rodbertus de Curceio junior" was captured at Brémule, dated to [1119][1846]. "…Robert et Richard de Courcy…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Guillaume de Montfort" ceded revenue to "Enguerrand de Campo-Rotondo et à Lucie sa femme"[1847]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Rob de Curci" in Sussex[1848].
(b) four sons . Orderic Vitalis records that "Rodbertus…Ricardi [de Curceio] filius" married "Hugo de Grentesmaisnilio…filiam…Rochesiam" by whom he had five sons[1849].

ii) WILLIAM [I] de Courcy [Curcy] (-[1114]). "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1850].

... who is Rohese's brother-in-law, not her son.

On pages xxv-xxxvi, the French Society of Norman Antiquarians states that they believe William de Courcy is the son of Robert de Courcy, seneschal of Geoffrey Plantagenet and Henry his son.

His name is very frequently found in the documents of this period. William of Courci is one of the most frequent witnesses of the charters of Henry II. In this capacity we find him, from the middle of November 1151, at the bottom of a diploma of Henry, who still had only the title of Duke of Normandy (Caritrf. de Samgni^ in diversis episc., n*. xxxv, ).

At the end of 1171, we see him acting with William of Saint-Jean as justiciar of the king (M. Léchaudé, Great Rues, p. 198). He is listed on the fiefdom roll of 1172 as holder of the honours of Courci and Ecajeul (Houard, Trstùés, 11, p. 2A1), which allows us to correct the article in the pouillé de Lisfteux (p. A7) where "Ricardus de Corceyo" is given as patron of Ecajeul.

In 1173, at Montserrat, he swore for Henry II the treaty concluded with the Count of Maurienne (R* de Hoveden, ed. de Saville, 1596, f. 30/i v^).

It seems that in 1173, part of the land was in the king's domain (Yoy. Madox, The hùt. ofthe exch., cb. X, § II; ed. in-4%, t I, p. 297, i).

We have from him a charter in favor of the priory of Perrières founded by his family; he took his title of seneschal there: "dapifer régis Ânglie" (ChanuL Maj, Monast., t II 9 p. 93).

He died in 1176. (Benoit de Peterb.; Rtc. des Bisu^ 1. Xill^ p. 167)

...leaving a young son, whom he had had with the daughter of Richer de l'Aigle (Bob. du Mont; Ibid. "p. 319)

We presume that this young son is the "Wllelmus de Curceio, filius Wllelmi de Curcelo 1, who confirmed an agreement made between the monks of Lessai and Troarn (Ub. de benef. Exaijuii, t 103 r*.). — The words of 'tempore Willelmi de Curceio' which we find on our roll, in article XXXIII which we are commenting on deserve particular attention. They indicate that the debt of Gervais de Torigni dated from the time when Guillaume de Courci fulfilled the functions of seneschal, that is to say before 1176.

We must recall the important reforms which were accomplished at this time in the administration of public wealth.

The successor of William of Courci was not William son of Raoul, as reported by Roger de Roveden (ed. of 1596, f. 316 v^». ), but Richard, bishop of Winchester.

As Saint-Michel 1176 approached, that is to say at the time of the rendering of accounts, Henry II sent this officer to Normandy with the title of Justicier or Seneschal: "Constitui eum Justiciam Normanniae" (Ben. de Peterb.; t XIII, p. 166). The powers of this officer were very extensive; in keeping with his mission, Richard displayed great activity during the 18 months that he administered the duchy.

https://archive.org/details/mmoiresdelasoci14normgoog/page/n41/mode...

I need to go and draw this tree before I put that William into my brain, Debra :-) - too many Roberts and Williams :-)
..........

Understandable, Sharon, lol.

:-) I've got this:

COURCY

1. [[Robert I de Courcy Robert I de Courcy] ROBERT [I] de Courcy], son of [BALDRIC] & his wife --- [de Brionne] . According to Orderic Vitalis[1825], "Baldricus Teutonicus" came to Normandy with his brother Wigerius [Viger/Wigerich] to serve Duke Richard II and married the neptis of Gilbert de Brionne. Her exact parentage is not known. In the same passage, Orderic records that the couple had "six sons and several daughters", naming the sons as Nicolas de Baqueville, Foulques d'Aunou, Robert de Courcy, Richard de Neuville, Baudri de Bocquencé and Viger de Apulia[1826]. It is possible that Robert [I] de Courcy was the husband of Hebrea shown below.

?m [[Hebrea Hebrea] HEBREA], daughter of --- (-before 1076). "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1827]. One child:

a) [[Richard I de Courcy Richard I de Courcy] RICHARD [I] de Courcy] (-after [1091/92]). The relationship between Richard [I] de Courcy and Robert [I] de Courcy, if any, has not yet been established. "…Richard de Curci…" witnessed the charter dated 1069 under which William I King of England confirmed the donations of Roger de Montgommery to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Troarn[1828]. "…Hugo de Gurniaco, Ricardus de Curci, Rodulfus filius Herluini, Willelmus filius Hastenchi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1073] under which William I King of England confirmed the donation by "Nielli filii alterius Nielli" to the abbey of Marmoutier[1829]. "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1830]. "…Ricardo de Corceio…" witnessed a charter dated to [1077] under which William I King of England granted property to the abbey of Saint-Etienne de Caen[1831]. "…Richard de Curci…" witnessed the charter dated to [1077] under which William I King of England gave a wine cellar at Rouen to the monks of Caen Saint-Etienne[1832]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1833]. "…Richard de Curci" witnessed the charter dated 14 Jul 1080 under which William I King of England confirmed the foundation of the abbey of Lessay[1834]. Domesday Book records “Richard de Courcy” holding Nuneham Courtenay and land in Sarsden and Foscot in Oxfordshire[1835]. "…Ricardus de Corceio…" witnessed the charter dated 1089 under which Robert III Duke of Normandy confirmed the restoration of the monastery of Saint-Vigor near Bayeux[1836]. "…Richard de Curci…" witnessed the charter dated to [1091/92] under which William II King of England issued instructions to Stow abbey[1837]. m [[Wandelmode Wandelmode] WANDELMODE], daughter of ---. "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1838]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1839]. Richard & his wife had two children:

i) [[Robert II de Courci, baron of Stoke Courcy Robert II de Courci, baron of Stoke Courcy] ROBERT [II] de Courcy] (-after 1102). "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1840]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1841]. Orderic Vitalis names "Rodbertus…Ricardi [de Curceio] filius" when recording his marriage[1842]. “…Rotberti de Curcei…” witnessed the charter dated [May 1092] under which William II King of England confirmed previous grants to Lincoln cathedral[1843]. “…Rotberti de Curci…” witnessed the charter dated Sep 1093 under which William II King of England donated property to Lincoln cathedral[1844]. m [[Rohese de Grentemesnil Rohese de Grentemesnil] ROHESE de Grantmesnil], daughter of HUGUES de Grantmesnil & his wife Adelise de Beaumont. Orderic Vitalis names “Adelinam et Hadvisam, Rochesiam et Mathildem et Agnetem” as the daughters of “Hugo de Grentemaisnilio” and his wife “Adelidem filiam Ivonis comitis de Bellomonte”, adding that Rohese married “Roberto de Curceio”[1845]. Robert de Courcy & his wife had five children:

(a) [[Robert de Courcy Robert de Courcy] ROBERT [III] de Courcy] (-after 1129). Orderic Vitalis records that "Rodbertus de Curceio junior" was captured at Brémule, dated to [1119][1846]. "…Robert et Richard de Courcy…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Guillaume de Montfort" ceded revenue to "Enguerrand de Campo-Rotondo et à Lucie sa femme"[1847]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Rob de Curci" in Sussex[1848].
(b) four sons . Orderic Vitalis records that "Rodbertus…Ricardi [de Curceio] filius" married "Hugo de Grentesmaisnilio…filiam…Rochesiam" by whom he had five sons[1849].

ii) [[William I de Courcy, Baron of Stogursey, Dapifer to King Henry I William I de Courcy, Baron of Stogursey, Dapifer to King Henry I] WILLIAM [I] de Courcy] [Curcy] (-[1114]). "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1850]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1852]. "Willelmus de Curceio regis dapifer" donated "villa…Niweham" to Abingdon monastery, with the advice of "fratris mei Roberti", confirmed by Henry I King of England[1853].
m as her second husband, [[Emma de Falaise Emma de Falaise] EMMA de Falaise], widow of WILLIAM FitzHumphrey, daughter of WILLIAM de Falaise of Stogursey & his wife Geva de Burcy (-after 1129). The primary source which confirms her family origin and marriage has not yet been identified. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Emme de Falesia" in Wiltshire[1854].
William & his wife had two children:

1. [[William II de Courcy William II de Courcy] WILLIAM [II] de Courcy] (-before 1130). "Willelmi filius eius Willelmus…de Curceio" (following the donation by "Willelmus de Curceio regis dapifer") confirmed the donation of "villa…Niweham" to Abingdon monastery, with the consent of "fratris mei Roberti"[1855]. He is not named in the 1129 Pipe Roll so presumably was already deceased at the time. m ([1125]%29 as her first husband, [[Avice de Copeland de Rumilly, Lady of Harewood Avice de Copeland de Rumilly, Lady of Harewood] AVICE de Rumilly], daughter of WILLIAM FitzRanulf du Bessin, of Skipton-in-Craven & his wife Cecily de Rumilly (-[1179]). “Amicia filia Cecilie de Rumilli” confirmed donations to the canons of St Mary, for the soul of “Willelmi de Curci filii mei”, by charter dated to [1138/50], witnessed by “Willelmo de Curci filio meo…”[1856]. An undated manuscript relating to Croxton Abbey, Leicestershire records that “Avicia de Romely domina de Bescaudeby” married ”Willielmum Paynel”, and had “filium Willielmum de Curci et filiam Aliciam”[1857]. She married secondly as his second wife, William Paynell of Drax. “Avicia de Romelli” notified her donation to the canons of Drax, for the soul of “Willelmi Paganelli mariti mei”, with the consent of “domini Roberti de Gant et Adelicie filie mee uxoris eiusdem Roberti”, by charter dated to [1147/52], witnessed by “Robertus de Gant et Adelicia Paganella uxor eius et Adelicia soror Roberti de Gant…”[1858]. She married thirdly (before 1153) Walter de Percy. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Avicia mater Willelmi de Curcy" held two knights’ fees from "Roberti de Gant" in Yorkshire[1859]. William & his wife had one child:

a) [[William de Courcy, III William de Courcy, III] WILLIAM [III] de Courcy] (-1171). An undated manuscript relating to Croxton Abbey, Leicestershire records that “Avicia de Romely domina de Bescaudeby” married ”Willielmum Paynel”, and had “filium Willielmum de Curci et filiam Aliciam”[1860]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record the knights’ fees held by "Willelmi de Curcy dapiferi" in Somerset "quam avus suus et pater suus tenuerunt"[1861]. "…Willelmo de Curci dapifero…" witnessed the charter dated to [1165/89] under which Henry II King of England confirmed concessions made to Bayeux abbey[1862]. The Red Book of the Exchequer records enfeoffments in the duchy of Normandy in [1172], "Willelmus de Curseio" with five knights "de honore de Curceio" and 33 knights in his own service[1863]. m as her second husband, [[Gundred de Warenne Gundred de Warenne] GUNDRED de Warenne], widow of PETER de Valognes, daughter of RAINALD de Warenne & his wife Alice de Wormgay (-before 6 Dec 1224). She married thirdly Geoffroy Hose. “Gundreda de Waren” claimed “ecclesiam de Newinham...advocationem” from the abbot of Abindon in 1194 through “in loco suo Gilone Hose”, while “Henr de Godham senescallus Warin fil Gerald” also claimed it as “hereditas uxoris domini sui”[1864]. "Gundreda que fuit uxor Gaufr Huse" paid a fine for "custodia Gaufr filii et heredis sui cum tota terra sua" in Wiltshire, dated 1199[1865]. An order dated 6 Dec 1224 required the confiscation of "the vill of Newnham that Gundrea de Warenne held in dower, which is an inheritance partible between Joan wife of Hugh de Neville, and Margaret wife of Falkes de Bréauté", with savings for "the executors of the testament of the same Gundrea"[1866]. William & his wife had three children:

i) [[William IV de Courcy William IV de Courcy] WILLIAM [IV] de Courcy] ([1163/64]-before Oct 1194). The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records “Willelmus filius Willelmi de Curci…in custodia Domini Regis et per eum in custodia Roberti le Poher…xx annorum” and his land “Werefeld"[1867]. William must have died before his mother’s claim to the advocacy of the church of Nuneham (see above).
ii) [[Alice Fitzgerald Alice Fitzgerald] ALICE de Courcy] . Her family origin is confirmed by the undated charter under which her daughter “Margareta de Redeveris” donated revenue from "manerio meo de Newenham…unde eisdem teneor de testamento Aliciæ de Churci matris meæ" to Clerkenwell St Mary’s by undated charter[1868]. Her parentage is indicated more precisely by an order dated 6 Dec 1224 which required the confiscation of "the vill of Newnham that Gundrea de Warenne held in dower, which is an inheritance partible between Joan wife of Hugh de Neville, and Margaret wife of Falkes de Bréauté", with savings for "the executors of the testament of the same Gundrea"[1869]. "Aaliz de Curceio wife of Warin son of Gerold chamberlain of the king of England" confirmed donations to Marmoutier made by her father by charter dated to [1200][1870]. m Sir Warin FitzGerald (The Younger) WARIN FitzGerold], son of HENRY FitzGerold & his wife Matilda --- ([1167]-after 14 Nov 1216).
iii) [[NN de Courcy NN de Courcy] daughter] . Farrer says that Joan was the daughter of Alice, daughter of William [III] de Curcy, by a first marriage to Henry de Cornhill, but he does not cite the primary source on which this information is based[1871]. m ---.] One child:

(a) JOAN (-after 6 Dec 1224). Her family origin is indicated by an order dated 6 Dec 1224 which required the confiscation of "the vill of Newnham that Gundrea de Warenne held in dower, which is an inheritance partible between Joan wife of Hugh de Neville, and Margaret wife of Falkes de Bréauté", with savings for "the executors of the testament of the same Gundrea"[1872]. It is not clear from this source whether Joan was the daughter or the granddaughter of the deceased. As the second heiress Margaret can be shown to be the granddaughter, it is possible that Joan was also a granddaughter, born from an older daughter. A further clue about her parentage is provided by the Testa de Nevill which includes a list of landholdings in the honour of Boulogne, dated to [1217/18], which includes "Rogerus filius Renfrey et Walterus Avenel et uxor Hugonis de Nevill" holding parts of "Gamegeya"[1873]. King John confirmed "unam feriam singulis annis apud Wakering" to "Hug de Nevill et Johe ux sue" by charter dated 30 Apr 1200[1874]. m HUGH Neville, son of --- (-after 1210).

2. [[Robert IV de Courcy, of Stoke, Somerset Robert IV de Courcy, of Stoke, Somerset] ROBERT] [IV] de Courcy of Stoke, Somerset (-killed in battle Counsylth 1157). "Willelmi filius eius Willelmus…de Curceio" (following the donation by "Willelmus de Curceio regis dapifer") confirmed the donation of "villa…Niweham" to Abingdon monastery, with the consent of "fratris mei Roberti"[1875]. Empress Matilda made various grants of property by charter dated to [1141/42] witnessed by "…Rob’ de Curc’ Dap…"[1876]. A charter dated to [1144] records the agreement relating to "la banlieue de Cambremer" made by "Robertus de Curceio et Robertus de Novo Burgo" in favour of the church of Bayeux[1877]. "…Robertus de Corci…" witnessed the charter dated to [1147] under which "Henricus ducis Normannorum et comitis Andegavorum filius" confirmed the rights of the abbey of Saint-Ouen[1878]. "…Roberto de Curceio dapifero nostro, Ricardo de Haia…" are named as present in the charter dated to [1151/52] under which Henri Duke of Normandy confirmed rights of Bayeux abbey over "les terres de Carcagny et de Vouilly"[1879].

Debra - so William might be the son of this Robert de Courcy

or he's the son of this guy Robert IV de Courcy, of Stoke, Somerset

[[William I de Courcy, Baron of Stogursey, Dapifer to King Henry I William I de Courcy, Baron of Stogursey, Dapifer to King Henry I] WILLIAM [I] de Courcy] [Curcy] (-[1114]). "Richard de Curciaco" donated land at “Brenarie [Berni%C3%A8res] which his mother Hebrea had left them at her death”, with the consent of “his wife Wandelmode and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated 1076[1850]. "Richard de Courci" donated property to Marmoutier, for the benefit of “his wife Gandelmodis and his sons Robert and William”, by charter dated to [1077/79][1852]. "Willelmus de Curceio regis dapifer" donated "villa…Niweham" to Abingdon monastery, with the advice of "fratris mei Roberti", confirmed by Henry I King of England[1853].

m as her second husband, [[Emma de Falaise Emma de Falaise] EMMA de Falaise], widow of [[William FitzHumphrey William FitzHumphrey] WILLIAM FitzHumphrey], daughter of [[William de Falaise William de Falaise] WILLIAM de Falaise] of Stogursey & his wife [[Geva de Burci, Dame de Falaise Geva de Burci, Dame de Falaise] Geva de Burcy] (-after 1129). The primary source which confirms her family origin and marriage has not yet been identified. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Emme de Falesia" in Wiltshire[1854].

William & his wife had two children:

1. [[William II de Courcy William II de Courcy] WILLIAM [II] de Courcy] (-before 1130). "Willelmi filius eius Willelmus…de Curceio" (following the donation by "Willelmus de Curceio regis dapifer") confirmed the donation of "villa…Niweham" to Abingdon monastery, with the consent of "fratris mei Roberti"[1855]. He is not named in the 1129 Pipe Roll so presumably was already deceased at the time. m ([1125]%29 as her first husband, [[Avice de Copeland de Rumilly, Lady of Harewood Avice de Copeland de Rumilly, Lady of Harewood] AVICE de Rumilly], daughter of [[William Le Meschin FitzRanulf, Lord of Copeland William Le Meschin FitzRanulf, Lord of Copeland] WILLIAM FitzRanulf du Bessin], of Skipton-in-Craven & his wife [[Cecily de Rumilly, héritière de Skipton Cecily de Rumilly, héritière de Skipton] Cecily de Rumilly] (-[1179]). “Amicia filia Cecilie de Rumilli” confirmed donations to the canons of St Mary, for the soul of “Willelmi de Curci filii mei”, by charter dated to [1138/50], witnessed by “Willelmo de Curci filio meo…”[1856]. An undated manuscript relating to Croxton Abbey, Leicestershire records that “Avicia de Romely domina de Bescaudeby” married ”Willielmum Paynel”, and had “filium Willielmum de Curci et filiam Aliciam”[1857]. She married secondly as his second wife, [[William Paynell, of Drax William Paynell, of Drax] William Paynell] of Drax. “Avicia de Romelli” notified her donation to the canons of Drax, for the soul of “Willelmi Paganelli mariti mei”, with the consent of “domini Roberti de Gant et Adelicie filie mee uxoris eiusdem Roberti”, by charter dated to [1147/52], witnessed by “Robertus de Gant et Adelicia Paganella uxor eius et Adelicia soror Roberti de Gant…”[1858]. She married thirdly (before 1153) [[Walter de Percy Rugemond Walter de Percy Rugemond] Walter de Percy]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Avicia mater Willelmi de Curcy" held two knights’ fees from "Roberti de Gant" in Yorkshire[1859]. William & his wife had one child
2. [[Robert IV de Courcy, of Stoke, Somerset Robert IV de Courcy, of Stoke, Somerset] ROBERT] [IV] de Courcy of Stoke, Somerset (-killed in battle Counsylth 1157). "Willelmi filius eius Willelmus…de Curceio" (following the donation by "Willelmus de Curceio regis dapifer") confirmed the donation of "villa…Niweham" to Abingdon monastery, with the consent of "fratris mei Roberti"[1875]. Empress Matilda made various grants of property by charter dated to [1141/42] witnessed by "…Rob’ de Curc’ Dap…"[1876]. A charter dated to [1144] records the agreement relating to "la banlieue de Cambremer" made by "Robertus de Curceio et Robertus de Novo Burgo" in favour of the church of Bayeux[1877]. "…Robertus de Corci…" witnessed the charter dated to [1147] under which "Henricus ducis Normannorum et comitis Andegavorum filius" confirmed the rights of the abbey of Saint-Ouen[1878]. "…Roberto de Curceio dapifero nostro, Ricardo de Haia…" are named as present in the charter dated to [1151/52] under which Henri Duke of Normandy confirmed rights of Bayeux abbey over "les terres de Carcagny et de Vouilly"[1879].

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