Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons

Good morning Phillip, yes, if you are of European descent, all lines converge to the names of very well known persons of history. I once wrote that you have in the second line four grandparents, eight great grandparents in the third, when you get to the 40th line the amount of people is way beyond the population of the world in those times. That means that at a given time the same person could be your 32nd ggrandfather, and your 24th cousin 8 times removed etc., etc. On the other hand, you will always find relationship with known names because they were mostly the ones interested in registering their ascent and descent, you can be a relative of many more people who never left information on themselves. Alfred the great is my 32nd ggrandfather and guess what, I am a venezuelan architect. The relationship is due to the marriages of the english kings with the spanish royalty. In my case as a descendant of Alfonso X (the wise) King of Spain, he married Beatrice from Schwaben who was a greatgranddaughter of Friedrich The "redbearded" king of Germany, and that will link you to an endless line of ancestors. There is also a very special line that will link us with generations in the far past, an that path goes through the gaels of Ireland and Scotland back to the very early history of christianity and even earlier. It's very interesting and fascinating. Greetings from Caracas and be well

This is all very good, as long as all of you check the credibility of your lines. I have found several lines back to before approx. year 1000 that is plainly wrong or the sources are questionable. Phillip and Gustavo, are your sources credible in every link back to Alfred and beyond, since you are so certain that you have him (and generations in the far past) in your tree.

Remember, it is the one that claims a relationship that has the burden of proof, and not the other way around.

Most Americans with royal ancestry connect through Edward III of England (or a bit earlier through Edward I or Henry II). Those lines are safely descended from Alfred. No need to re-invent the wheel.

But, it's sometimes the case that the line connecting to the later English kings is wrong. Sometimes, a line that was once thought to be good but has now been shown to based on a mis-reading of the evidence. Always a good idea to check.

Well in my case I've been doing a lot of research through more than 30 years, perhaps more. The Ancestry I entered in Geni is the result of several years of investigation. I've had more or less easy because my family shares most of its ancestry with the family of Simón Bolívar, whose ancestors have been studied thoroughly. At the same time on another line of my family we are descendants from the first Conquerors and Colonizers of our country and that links us with long continuous lines of ascent that, of course, might get distorted in some points. This is because many names repeat themselves in the past and your ascent could go one way or another. In the case of the Americans descendant from English royalty, I find that a good number of them descend from Sancha Blount Lady of Ayala, she is a common abcestor to many people in America (North & South). I have found some glitches in GENI, but as I've said before, there will allways be more than one line of connections for the reasons I explained above. Anyhow, this activity and my amateurism for Botanics and Astronomy fill some gaps of my life and give me a lot of satisfaction, though not even a sad penny !!! Be well you all

Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons is my 9th cousin 36 times removed.

HM King Ælfred the Great, King of the Anglo Saxons, is my 29x Great Grandfather and HM Queen Consort Ealhswith of the Gaini, Queen Consort of the Anglo Saxons, is my 29x Great Grandmother.

Careful! English kings didn't acquire Majesty until Richard II:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majesty

It's one of the peculiarities of Geni that monarchs, their consorts, and their children magically acquire styles and titles that didn't exist in their own time ;)

Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons
is my 29th great grandfather.

According to GENI Richard II is: Richard II of England is Gustavo Ferrero Gómez's fifth cousin 16 times removed, and the common ancestor is Alphonsus IX, King of León and Galicia. Anyway, yes I agree with Justin, I would like to point out that far in the past, most human groups had kings but were certainly more like tribes of barbarians with a very incipient civil bahaviour. I consider that these facts of our ascent are simply interesting in what refers to the possibility we have today to trace our ancestors back just to know where we come from, and how the human ADN is a mélange of a multiplicity of combinations. At this point of the XXI century the only thing that will give us any "nobility" is how useful we can be for society and the principles we cultivate in our children. That is also very true for the direct decendants of all the names we read here. My father (85) always says: "It is not your names that will give you distinction, you are the one who has to give distinction to your name and make it respectable" I'm embarrassed because I write more line than everyone else, but, believe me, in person I am less expressive.

By the way, let's remember what I wrote about Alfred some months ago:

Alfred the Great is my 32nd greatgrandfather, he was great because on the first hand he was an excellent warrior, he was the son of Ethelwulf and the brother of Ethelred ("Ethel" might be the saxon word for "Noble", in german it's Edel) he led several battles and fights against the Danish who invaded England in the year 871. His worst enemy was Guthrum. There are many legends and tales of Alfred being the guest of a peasant family when he had to hide for his life after a battle, the host's wife (they didn't know who he really was) made him take care of some muffins being cooked and while he was thinking of his revenge the muffins got burned, with the consequent nagging of the woman. He disguised himself as a Juglar, and went to the Danish settlements to find useful information. On the second hand, what made him great was his political wisdom and the way he incorporated the Danish to the countries of Mercia, Kent, Essex and Sussex, England did not exist as such yet. He even made Guthrum convert to christianity, made a profound research of the biblical principles and established the grounds of law for the various countries and founded schools for children. He invited scholars from France and spread Latin for the first time in England. He ruled for 28 years died in 899 and is buried in Winchester, God he was really GREAT. It's truly nice to know he is in the list of our ancestors !!!

He invented Laws and forced kids to go to school and learn latin?
Sounds like Alfred the Terrible to me ;)

Hi Alex, good to have a laugh once in a while, looking at it from another point of view he could have been the genesis of the dreadful, mischievous English School headmasters with a bitter cane in their hands !!!!

Hello, following Justin's preocupations, when you get to the line of your 32nd greatgrandfather, the right expression would be : Alfred the great is one of my 4.294.967.296,00 greatgrandfathers, unbelievable isn´t it ?, I think GENI should change to "Alfred the Great is one of your....". I believe you can say that somone is your greatgrandfather, in singular, when that someone is your DIRECT great grandfather. In the 40th line the number is the astounding figure of: 1.099.511.627.776,00. Those are figures in the supposed case that all your ancestors are different persons. Obviously that is a geometrical progression upwards to a certain point. At the same time, there is a much more significant geometrical progression downwards, since we canot have more than two parents per person, but we can have more than two children. When both pyramid of numbers overlap, you'll find that the probabilities of being somone's grandson are practically infinite. Anyhow, we are lucky to be be among the ones who can work with this information, since our forefathers cared enough to leave us the valuable heritage and values that we hopefully can preserve for the ones to come. Again, alas be well you all !!!

Excuse my spelling: "Someone"

By the way Justin, I checked and you are "one of my "n" 20th cousins 0 removed, I have a closer relationship with the Prince of Wales !!!! The curious fact is our common ancestor: Sancha Blount, Lady of Ayala,(Whom I quoted before) this link will make you a cousin of half the United States and Canada !!!

Gustavo, I'm not just a cousin of half the US and Canada. I assert that I am a cousin of all of the US and Canada. I just haven't proved it yet ;)

Behold !!! there are some characters whose cousin you won't like to be !!! So it's needless to prove to much !!!

Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons is my 29th great grandfather.

WOV..Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons is your 30th great grandfather..
Søren Claussen Barfod
his father
→
Ne Christensdatter Stygge
his mother
→
Ellen Nielsdatter Rotfeld
her mother
→
Niels Eriksen Rotfeld, til Bratskov
her father
→
Erik Nielsen Rotfeld, til Bratskov og Holmegård
his father
→
Margrethe Henriksdatter von Eberstein
his mother
→
Henrik Albertsen von Eberstein
her father
→
Albert Albrechtsen von Everstein
his father
→
Albrecht "der Däne" Ludwigson von Everstein, IV
his father
→
Ludwig Albrechtson von Everstein, I
his father
→
Albert IV, Graf von Everstein
his father
→
Riquilda de Polonia, reina consorte de León y Castilla
his mother
→
Władysław II Wygnaniec, książę
her father
→
Bolesław III Krzywousty "King of Poland" Piast, książę
his father
→
Judyta Czeska, Duchess of Poland
his mother
→
Vratislaus II Přemyslovec, König von Boehmen
her father
→
Břetislav - Bretislaus I Přemysliden, Duke of Bohemia
his father
→
Oldrich of Bohemia
his father
→
Aelfgifu of England, Duchess of Bohemia
his mother
→
Edward I "The Elder", King of the Anglo-Saxons
her father
→
Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons
his father
Is this right?

No, it is not. Henrik Albertsen von Eberstein can not be the son of Albert Albrechtsen von Everstein since the last name is not the same. You need to check what is right. von Eberstein or von Everstein. It was two different families living in Denmark at the same time and they didn't, as far as I know, intermarriage. So which family is your ancestors?

what do you mean? Is related to Eberstein, but if you look at this link, you'll see that there is something wrong .. or what?

Henrik Albertsen von Everstein, til Landtind og Rydhave

http://www.finnholbek.dk/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I21236&am...

Sometimes the spelling in the old papers are a bit of. It very well can be the reason why they write it one way in one generation and one way in another.
It still can be the same famely, so it need to be checkt

It is still two different familys

What's right here? Albert von Everstein or Albert Eberstein...Albrecht VI von Everstein

Both names are used with sources!

This is very confusing.

I think it must be Albrecht von Everstein. The names of the pedigree fits.
Dritte Linie

Ludwig I., Graf von Everstein (1224–1284), ∞ Adele von Gleichen (1254–1258), Tochter von Lambert II. ∞ Sophie von Orlamünde
1.Albert VI., Graf von Everstein (1254–1284) ∞ Marianne (1283), Viborg 1.Albert IX. (1299) ∞ Ingerd Jensdatter 1.Albert XI. (1336–1349) ∞ Ingeborg 1.Waldemar (1404)

2.Heinrich IV. (1349) 1.Karen
2.Margarete

3.Hermann IV. (1349)
4.Ludwig VI. (1343–1347) ∞ Tochter von Vendelbo, Petersdatter
5.Christian
6.Peder I. (1344) 1.Ludwig VII.

Stamtavle taget fra Wikipedia.
So it needs to be changed to Everstein

Best regards Anette Guldager Boye

That is correct for Albrecht VI von Everstein Anette, good job. von Everstein is the correct name for thos family.

Finn Holbek has used Dansk Adels Aarbog (DAA) for his database, and sadly DAA has mixed these two families (Eberstein and von Everstein) a lot and only made a mess out of the whole thing. DAA is not usable as a source when it comes to these families. Therefore is roskildehistorie.dk not usable either since they to has used DAA as their source.

The best and newest source on this family (the von Everstein family) is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europ%C3%A4ische_Stammtafeln

About roskildehistorie.dk you shold also know that it is a school project.

I did some dicking on the Eberstein. Most of these are from south west german nobel famely, taht has no aparent connection with Denmark.
Some of the names fit. Albrecht for instend, but the dates and other famely members dont, so it simply has to be Everstein.

Søren Claussen Barfod
his father → Ne Christensdatter Stygge
his mother → Ellen Nielsdatter Rotfeld
her mother → Niels Eriksen Rotfeld, til Bratskov
her father → Erik Nielsen Rotfeld, til Bratskov og Holmegård
his father → Margrethe Henriksdatter von Eberstein
his mother → Henrik Albertsen von Everstein, til Langtind
her father → Albert Albrechtsen von Everstein
his father → Albrecht "der Däne" Ludwigson von Everstein, IV
his father → Ludwig Albrechtson von Everstein, I
his father → Albert IV, Graf von Everstein
his father → Riquilda de Polonia, reina consorte de León y Castilla
his mother → Władysław II Wygnaniec, książę
her father → Bolesław III Krzywousty "King of Poland" Piast, książę
his father → Judyta Czeska, Duchess of Poland
his mother → Vratislaus II Přemyslovec, König von Boehmen
her father → Břetislav - Bretislaus I Přemysliden, Duke of Bohemia
his father → Oldrich of Bohemia
his father → Aelfgifu of England, Duchess of Bohemia
his mother → Edward I "The Elder", King of the Anglo-Saxons
her father → Alfred the Great, King of the Anglo-Saxons
his father
Is this right?