Randver Radbartsson, King of Sweden - Randver Radbartsson and Vendel of Obodrite?

Hi Harald: I can not find any "Vendel of Obotrite" written in "about me - birth surname" in this profile. Maybe someone has removed this. Anyway, this term "Vendel of Obotrite" is not right for this person. Vendel of Obotrite is a another person.

If you go to Randver s profil and take a look at the change of this profils history ("endringshistorikk") one can see who has done anything with this profile. Maybe you can ask them for help in this case.

If this was true he would have ruled this tribe: *http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/423909/Obodrite
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obotrites

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On a 228-way merged profile, the change history is usually rubbish, unfortunately. This discussion pops up on all the 228 managers' "discussions I follow" list, if I understand it correctly. If none of them care, I feel confident in dropping the term without further comment.

Sounds fair enough..

No evidence of it, as far as I know.

In my file he is labeled "mythical".

Some notes: "iflg. FornNordiskt Lexikon er ikke Sigurd Ring Ragnars far. hvem er det da? Sigurdur Randversson, Radbartsson: Konungur Danmerkur & Svifijódar, Uppsalir Álfhildur Gangálfsdóttir, Alfhildur (Algauts-) Álfhildur Grand-Álfsdóttir. Some say his mother is Signy of Essex."

There appear to have been two kings Sigifridus and Anulo [whose name became mistranslated as "Ring" due to the similarity with Latin "anulus" ("ring")] who fought each other in 812 for the Danish throne, both of whom were killed in the struggle.
Later pseudohistorians combined these failed claimants into one person, the mythical Sigurd Ring, and turned him into a mythical conqueror of Denmark and Sweden.

So, I doubt that we have any solid evidence of anything about this person.

Regards,

Mike King

Oops. Too quick with the send button.

What I wanted to add was, given that Sigurd is mythical, his father, Randver Radbardsson is also most likely to be mythical, i.e, invented a a father of the heroic Sigurd.

Regards,

Mike King.

Why so concerned if his just mytical? Mike... In youre world Maby Cleopatra is...

Almost forgot.... All the best fr.o.m. The Nordh... And à happening new year..

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As you see.....

As you can see from the profile, this profile follows the name and descent given in the "Hyndaljod", ignoring the alternative parents for Randver given in "Hversum Noreg Byggdist" and "Hervarar saga".

I'm not too worried about doing "just pick one" when having conflicting sources like this, even when the sources are legendary - when Geni some time in the future provides a means for representing mulitple possibilities, we'll list them all.

I'm more worried about the people where we don't know where the story comes from.

This might be a good place to cut the line, with links to both alternative fathers.

It seems that the story from Hyndaljod and Sogubrot is the one with by far the most popularity, however - that's the one that's been merged hundreds of times; I have rarely, if ever, seen the Hversum line mentioned in a Geni tree.

Not a popularity contest, but one is an ancestry recitation and the other is a full-fleshed (if broken-up) saga.

I'd want to spend my cutting credits on Radbart's ancstry (Skirta, and back to the Swedish line), which I don't have a source for. The "about me" of Skirta just looks confusing.

My thinking is a bit different. If saga literature gives a genealogy, usually it is the only source we have. There is almost never a way to know if it is true or false. We have to either accept the whole thing or reject the whole thing.

However, when the sources disagree there is no reason to accept one over the other unless we can cite academic opinion.

Here, we have three different versions in four sources, and no reason to prefer any of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randver

Poor Randver På Gardarike Radbartsson, King of Sweden {fict} has over time picked up the ignoble suffix of {fict} which seems unfair considering no one else in the immediate family is so tagged.

Also the middle name of På Gardarike looks more like a suffix to me than a middle name.

Perhaps he should be more like King in Sweden Randver Radbartsson, På Gardarike?

Gardarike (where he was living according to Sogubrot and Hyndaljod) was over in the Kievan Rus area - that is, somewhere in present-day Russia.
And the alternative saga (Hervarar Saga) has him as king in Denmark.

So I don't think he gets to be king in Sweden.
But all this is according to Wikipedia only. Losing the {fict} seems like a human thing to do.

"So I don't think he gets to be king in Sweden."

At that time, Sweden did not exist, but Svitjod did, and their area have been greater and smaller from time to time. Once it was even called Svitjod the great, and at that time, Gardarike was a part to it, like some other parts in the areas with people called Rus, but that had their own Rusrike later and finally became Russia.

I've just noticed that Sigurd Ring has {fict} also in his suffix but that it is obscured by his Display name field.

If we are going to use Wiki then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd_Hring is a lot more informative than Randver's own page. Amongst the various sources referred to Randver is variously a Danish, Swedish and Gardarike king.

I've been taking {fict} out of profiles when there's clearly a reasonably-ancient source cited. It adds no new information, and does not (as far as I can tell) represent a consensus among editors. Not a high priority thing, so I've left most of them alone.