Fake Profiles- I will post them here for you to look at

An old hoax, I think. Someone else might know more.

I am not going to disconnect them, if I find them, as not my place, but, will add ones I doubt here :)

How close is Elizabeth Hamilton (Villiers), Countess of Orkney association with W 3 of Orange? It is mentioned on "the Peerage" site, but, I see no children.

It's implied in that tree that Willem "went both ways", if you know what I mean (wink wink nudge nudge). He doesn't seem to have been very prolific with anybody.

As to "Elizabeth Graves (De Carteret)", the hoaxing starts with her alleged mother, Mary, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange - who as far as anyone actually *knows*, never remarried after the death of Willem II van Nassau-Dillenburg, prins van Oranje and had no more children, legitimate or otherwise.

The whole thing just might be a BS story cooked up to "explain" the naming of Carteret and Elizabeth, New Jersey - when there is an actual, more understandable explanation:

Vice Admiral Sir George Carteret, 1st Baronet (c. 1610 – 18 January 1680 N.S.), son of Elias de Carteret, was a royalist statesman in Jersey and England, who served in the Clarendon Ministry as Treasurer of the Navy. He was also one of the original Lords Proprietor of the former British colony of Carolina and New Jersey. Carteret, a town in New Jersey as well as Carteret County in North Carolina, both in the USA, are named after him. (Wikipedia)

"Elizabethtown, as it was originally called, missed the Elizabethan era by just 60 years and, in any event, the Elizabeth for whom it was named was not the queen but the wife of Sir George Carteret ..."

However, this Elizabeth was the daughter of Philippe de Carteret II, 3rd Seigneur of Sark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_de_Carteret_II and his wife, Anne Dowse (d. 1644?), the daughter of Sir Francis Dowse (d. 1649) of Nether Wallop, Hampshire, and his wife Elizabeth Paulet (d. before 1649).

I'm adding 1st Baronet Philippe De Carteret, III as a Fake Profile, because he doesn't match up with the known Carterets of Sark.

* Philippe de Carteret I (1552–1594)
* Philippe de Carteret II (February 18, 1584 – August 22, 1643)
* Philip(pe de) Carteret III (1620 – between 1663 and 1675)
* Philip(pe de) Carteret IV (c. 1650–1693)

III comes closest to a match, but his wife, so far as anyone knows, was one Anne Dumasque. (Burke, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies - gives his death date as 1662, sometimes misread as 1667)

I'm sorry, but Sir Francis Dowse of "Nether Wallop"? One of the funniest placenames ever!

The real Carteret line is represented on Geni, starting here: Sir Phillip de Carteret, Seigneur of St. Ouen

Yeah - England has some really funky placenames. :-D

Nether Wallop is a village in central Hampshire, England.

It is part of The Wallops: Nether, Middle and Over Wallop. The name derives from 'waella' (stream) and 'hop' (valley) or 'the valley of springing water'. The town was the site of the Battle of Guoloph that took place around the year 439. The element 'Wallop' is first attested in the Domesday Book of 1086 as 'Wallope'; 'Wollop inferior', that is to say Nether Wallop, is first attested circa 1270 in Episcopal Registers.[1]The village contains many old thatched cottages and has been featured in books and TV programmes as one of the prettiest villages in England.[2]

Dane Cottage in Five Bells Lane, Nether Wallop was used as Miss Marple's home in the village of St. Mary Mead for the BBC adaptations, played by British actress Joan Hickson of the Agatha Christie Miss Marple novels. The house and many of the surrounding lanes within the village were used as the setting and are commonly seen throughout many of the Miss Marple films.

Source: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nether_Wallop

Thanks Private User you seem to know your stuff :)

I'm pretty good at looking stuff up. :-)

While Wilkipedia is a long way from an "authoritative" source (too much crowd-sourcing, resulting in random incidents of GIGO), it's OK if all you want is a fast once-over (Nether Wallop, e.g.).

"Crowd Sourcing" is the key to the answer, and the problem, so often. We need to make it the answer on Geni, and, lock profiles, once right, so it does not become a problem. A 30th Grand Parent, can have how many million decendents? If they all have an opinion, or an adjenda, too much time will be wasted fighting for fact.

I've read the full text of this article.

http://blog.eogn.com/2014/06/09/crowdsourcing-the-most-valuable-gen...

I think it works here, what I am saying is, like any REAL DEMOCRACY, at some point the decision must be made, once something is right/proven, then to find yourself proving it, over and over, to each new interested party, could become tedious.

In internet marketing, it is called "User Contribution Sites" the best way to get "Content" that attracts users and traffic for free. The model here on Geni, is an Internet Marketers dream come true :)

BUT It is also a Genealogists dream come true, which redeems it 10 fold, in my book. Win/Win is the key that makes Geni unique to most other sites I have seen of any kind, and, to me is pure GENIous :)

There are some really knowledgeable and dedicated people work here, I just don't want to see them tire of repeatedly "patching" recurring errors, and misconceptions/copied mistakes.

That's what this project is about.

Best rule I know now, do not copy another persons tree from say Ancestry etc.

"Debate without agenda or ego, will always find the best outcome" (original quote) is how I ran my business, that was very successful LOL

Personal agenda I should add, the agenda was always for the best for all concerned, in our case, was the trees and customers best interests first.

Sharyn I agree with your points, I think we all do.

Cannot see any reason for this profile, no other son on StirNet yet
Mr Tufton

This person is not a real identity.
Francis Tresham
His tree has not been merged by me.

This is not fake, but, I have messaged the manager, to no result, the siblings are repeated as children, there are no records of more than what I have placed on the profile.
Robert Greaves

Timey-wimey loop? They can be fixed, with care and patience.

Got the Greaves tree sorted out for you. I suppose William must have died young, as he isn't recorded as having any spouse or descendants.

Thanks, I am checking right thru them, the graves ass site is hard to follow, mocking up first, and checking on Geni as I go. I am only putting info in about box, thought other greaves family will want to add some there as well.

Stirnet's "Tresham1" page (http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/tt/tresham1.php#link2), which is based on Burke's "Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies" (published 1841), mentions a Sir Francis Tresham of Rushton (Francis Tresham), son of Sir Thomas of Rushton by Muriel Throckmorton and husband of Anne Tufton.

Thanks :) Stir Net is a great resource. This profile here is a Geni User, claimed historical profile I would think. The real Francis is on the tree as well.

He's been reported to the authorities, probably for either Claimed Historical Profile or Fake Profile.

Sharyn

The tree is UNconnected

"No path found to 1 Singleton"

And it is likely abandoned.

It is not part of the World Family Tree.

There's no Member debate - Geni policy allows for UNconnected trees.

I will see if it's reportable to Geni Customer Support for them to clean up.

Not reportable in any way I see. The manager has not abandoned the tree & whilst the name is confusing it's not offensive nor does it violate TOS.

I realised that, the issue is that anyone can leave "un worked" lines private, awaiting a line to copy.

IF the priority was always given to FIRST PUBLIC profile, instead of FIRST ADDED, we would not have this problem, we would also have very many more profiles public, and, therefore collaboration is easier.

Private profiles could also be OLD MISTAKES that take precedence over public and collaborated work that is CORRECT.

Time to reward people who work publically and collaboratively!