Georges Jean Rapareillet, AKA Joris Jan Rapalje - Date of birth

Here we go - an official citation, should go in the overview

Gleaned from http://bennettplusmott.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I...

Baptismal entry in the Roman Catholic church of St. Nicholas in Valenciennes (then in Hainault, now in the Department of Nord, France). This record was first published by the late George E. McCracken in his article titled "Joris Janszen Rapelje of Valenciennes and Catelyntje Trico of Pry", published in volume 48 (1972) of TAG [The American Genealogist], pages 118-120. The record was discovered in 1960 by M.P. de Saint-Aubin, then Archiviste of the Department of Nord, France. The baptismal record reads:
"28 Avril 1604, Georges Rapareilliet, illegitimus fils de Jean Rapareillet, susceptor [godfather] Noe Vasseur, susceptrix [godmother] Jehenne de latre."

Wow, that's a coincidence!
Joris is baptised in St. Nicholas Church at Valenciennes while his wife a year later is baptised in St. Nicholas Church at Prisches. St Nick must be popular in France.

Appears that Jehenne de Latre is Joris' aunt, aka Jehenne Rapareillet.

And we know the "illegitimate" is possibly not true; it was a Protestant family with a marriage unrecognized by the Catholic Church, so all issue would have been baptized at this St Nick's as out of wedlock.

I suppose they've proven this for other families?

The McCracken article can probably be found, google books.

Why are the siblings not listed as illigit then?

From your link:
"There is a list of quotes from an article by Hugh T. Law: Chapter 7, Ancestors Traced to France: Joris Jansen De Rapalje and Catharine Trico," How To Trace Your Ancestors to Europe, 1987, pp.84~86". Thus, this indicates that his genetic mother was not Elizabeth Baudoin c1560-1606.."

FYI, apparently there are 191 St Nicolas churches in Northern France

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/gazetteer/?category_id=99&amp...

Different priest? Different mothers obviously.

It's the same priest, there is even a statistic quoted 2%(?) of children that he records as illigit. Law uses this as an indication that Elizabet B. is not Joris' mother even tho Jean is still married to her at the time.

So the baptismal records of the siblings show Elizabeth as mother & she did not die until well after Joris' birth? OK that sounds like a by blow ...

Side note: did you see that Joris' 1st job in New Netherland was boatswain?

"by blow"?

No but i did see a will made out by a boatswain (or similar) which was noted as having been written at the house of JJR, boat swain.

Parapharsing now cos im oveloaded

I follow! (scary). But boatswain is a mis translation of "borat werker" ... he was a cloth worker.

by-blow
noun BRITISH
1. a side-blow not at the main target.
2. a man's illegitimate child.

But -- Zabriskie says NOT.

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For anyone reading aside from Alex's unaccountable interest, why is this important?

1,000,000 (a million plus) descendants of the apocryphal first daughter Sara Rapalje.

And what's more, we have her chair!

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasulliv/settlers/settlers24/Imag...

you keep swapping threads!

here's my "proof" that he is a boatswain

http://www.geni.com/discussions/139494?msg=968977

Apparently "Joris Jansen Rapalje is your 18th cousin 10 times removed's wife's first cousin thrice removed's wife's great grandfather." but i don't know if i trust that.

Oh and check Sara's profile for discussion of whether she actually was the first daughter, in Zabi's opinion it's unlikely.

Sara (here's her chair!)

http://rapaljeancestry.blogspot.com/2011/10/sarah-rapaljes-chair.html

was not the first European child either. But she traded on the legend of it quite well, collecting medals, extra property, and a legend that the Indians honored her for it.

Zabriskie thinks she as a later child of Catherine & Joris? I thought that the first legend was that she was born in New Amsterdam and that time line wise, that's impossible, she would have been born in Ft. Orange.

I just need to drop off somewhere and it is relevant to the farm of Hans Bergen & Sara Rapalje, which bordered Newtown (now Queens).

There was mentioned a couple of times in the Bergen book a man named Peter Laurenson, an early proprietor at Newtown.

My John "the Dane" Laurenson of Newtown would then be this Peter's nephew, perhaps. If John the Dane existed. The legends about him are almost as good as the The Coligny Fraud.

I like this map

http://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000000375036325?album_type=photo...

On the East (left) side the Rapalje 330 acres (this is a lot) would have been Red Hook to Bushwick, Bedford to its North West (now Bedford Stuyvesant) -- and the Village of Brooklyn to the West (right), Flatland on the other side of it; Flatbush to the south.