Æthelhelm, Ealdorman of Wiltshire - Appears to be the same person

Начала Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Burns вторник, 11 ноября 2014
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11.11.2014 в 6:30 после полудня

@Æthelhelm , Ealdorman of Wiltshire MP
Place of Burial: Compton and Crondall by King Alfred the Great
Birth: circa 859 Wessex, UK
Death: 898 (39) Wantage,,Berkshire,England
Immediate Family:
Son of Ethelred I 'the Pious', King of Wessex & Kent and Wulfthryth

@Æthelhelm, Ealdorman of Wiltshire Æthelhelm, Ealdorman of Wiltshire MP
Birth: 859 Wiltshire, UK
Death: 898 (39)
Immediate Family:
Husband of Aetheiglyth Of Mercia De Wilshire
Father of Ælfflæd and Osferth of Wiltshire

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12.11.2014 в 3:02 после полудня

This requires Curatorial assistance, as only a Curator can de-MP a profile.

12.11.2014 в 3:45 после полудня

they are different people. the incorrect bio was added by Bill Irwin

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12.11.2014 в 4:21 после полудня

So now somebody has to sort out the correct information - which is considerably more difficult.

12.11.2014 в 5:10 после полудня

Æthelhelm son of ethelred was not the elderman of wiltshire. Kings sons did not become eldermen

12.11.2014 в 7:20 после полудня

Thanks Jason - went into my personal file corrected and added notations so they will not be mixed in future

12.11.2014 в 7:40 после полудня

It's not as clear as that. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The PASE database, which is among the most cautious of all indexes to primary records, says that King Alfred's will devised seven manors to his brother's son Aethelhelm, and that this might be the same Aethelhelm who was Ealdorman of Wiltshire.

http://www.pase.ac.uk/pdb?dosp=VIEW_RECORDS&st=PERSON_NAME&...

These manors were supposed to descend in the male line of Aethelhelm, in the female line in the event of the failure of the male line, and to the nearest kin of King Alfred on the failure of both lines. One of these manors, Crondall is known to have been held by a son of Aethelhelm the ealdorman. Another of these manors, Compton in Surrey, can be traced much further, to Wulfroth Cild, the father of King Godwin.

If Aethelhelm the ealdorman was the same person as Aethelhelm the uncle of King Alfred, it would also explain how Aethelweard the Historian was "atavus" of King Alfred's 2nd great granddaughter Mathilda of Quedlingburg.

English Wikipedia mentions the idea the men are the same (which is accepted by many historians), then notes that historian Barbara Yorke rejected the identification, saying that it does not seem to have been the practice for English princes to be ealdormen. Buried in the Wikipedia footnotes is a documented example of another prince, Æthelbald, who was appointed an ealdorman in 850.

Before we go further along this line, it might be worth reading the analysis of Todd Farmerie:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/f2IloS...

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