Joanna Culpeper, Princess of England - Joanna m Culpepper: a daughter of King John?

no evidence. just a wrong connection. i disconnected it.

Illegitimate children of the early Plantagenets were (so far as we can tell from the sources) mostly acknowledged. King John is different, because he was so spectacularly unsuccessful that people attributed his unsuccess, in part, to his allegedly seducing the wives of his nobles, whereas earlier kings are supposed to have seduced them before they were married.

I have a bit of a problem, which I suspect can't be resolved, with the Bluet/Bloet/Blewitt family. There is a charter dated 1130 (I think) which calls William Bloet "fra[ter] Comitis Ricardis"- Richard Strongbow being the only Earl Richard at the time- and William's sons Walter and Ralph appear just after Isabel de Clare on the list of the founders of Lacock Abbey. The Bloets certainly had initimate relations with the court (one of them being an illegitimate son of Henry II) and with the de Clares (having been involved in the sieges of Lincoln and Tickhill together with them, and then clearly involved in the engagemet in Ireland. But whether frater here means a brother-in-law, a step-brother, or wjhat is simply speculation. How one ts it on Geni is beyond me.

Mark

Eish :-( Jason Scott Wills, I'd just found this link to bad king John of Robin Hood fame - can there not be a decent mourning period (at least long enough for me to get out the Alan Rickman version) before you cut the umbilical cord of my hopes? :-)

Not to worry, Rickman's "cut his heart out with a spoon" was the Sheriff of Nottingham, not King John:-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwKhhNOqWWE
You can go ahead and cut; cut; cut :-)

Hope you have better luck Mark.

Sharon - I am a direct descendant of King John, Edward I and III and Robert de Bruce. Not sure which side to root for. It's interesting reading and gives one perspective I suppose. Now looking for some redeeming features about John both Edwards.

Ernest , so am I

If anyone wants to rehabilitate King John, perhaps they should look at his alleged opponents. The first time Robin Hood appears in English verse, it is not only as the murderer of an abbot. Unfortunately the murder is witnessed by a child, so Robin murders him too. (The anonymous poet seems to think this is a matter for great admiration; one would of course understand this reaction if he was on a plane with a squalling child behind one's seat - "Madam, would you like to take your child outside for a week? - but it is difficult to see what the medieval equivalent could have been).

Not quite the Robin we are used to.

Mark

Robin Hood?

http://www.geni.com/path/Arthur-Wilkings-Newkirk-III+is+related+to+...

John Conyers

Sir John Conyers Thought to be the historic Robin Hood

Hi Sharon, I also am a descendant of Henry II, 22 ggf, John, 21 ggf, Henry III, 20 ggf, Edward I, 19 ggf, Edward II, 18 ggr Edward III, 17 ggf, and Robert de Bruce 19 ggf.

And now, Princess_______ of England is my 14th cousin, twice removed. Her paternal grandmother, Diana Spencer is my 14th cousin. Prince William is my 14th cousin once removed from his mother's side and he is my 16th cousin 4 times removed from his father's side.

But I digress.

John Pat

Arthur Wilkings Newkirk: The earliest Robin Hood ballads *predate* Sir John Conyers - some by more than a hundred years.

Sir John Conyers is believed to have been "Robin of Redesdale", an anti-Yorkist rebel and leader of an insurgency against King Edward IV. This persona is thought to have been drawing on extant ballads and legends of Robin Hood, but is certainly not the original source of them. (He may have added more flavor to the later versions, though.)

The rebels got clobbered at Edgecote Moor (26 July 1469).

Robin Hood is thought to go further back to William "Willikin" of the Weald.
Though, it's rather like King Arthur & we'll never know for certain.

Haha guys - good stories. Thank you - I feel better that I'm related to neither. Woodman Mark Lowes Dickinson, OBE, I wonder if we can find that original poem anywhere.

Oops, I spoke too soon. Geni found another path for me through my father to Edward Longshanks and Bad King John as my 22nd gr grandpa.:-) .Oh well.

I wonder if the Sheriff of Nottingham was a Disney creation? (Now that we know Robin Hood actually killed Friar Tuck:-))

Sharon: No, the Sheriff was in at least some of the earlier ballads and stories, long before Disney. (He was also in the Errol Flynn "Adventures of Robin Hood", playing an incompetent second fiddle to Guy of Gisbourne (Basil Rathbone) - and while Guy got it at Robin's hands, the Sheriff got to live and be a laughingstock..)

Just waiting for someone to put up Wilhelm Tell. ; )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tell

Basic coverage of the subject and various interpretations. ;-)

Interestingly, late in his career Flynn tried to make a movie about Tell (with himself in the lead, as he was by then getting rather mature-looking), but never got enough financial backing to finish it.

Read up on King John last night. Some modern scholars think he got a bad rap - others not so sure. He did some things well.

He did a lot of things well, but he was not a very nice guy. The Barons forced him to sign the Maga Charta and then he tried to back out of it, along with a lot of other notorious things.

:-) Fun discussion

Judith - Check out you connection to John "Doc" Holiday. You should be connected.

Doc Holiday! Now that one is interesting.

Doc Holiday! Now that one is interesting. How do I find his profile?

Here you go Judith (Judy) A. Loubris.

Doc Holliday

How about King Arthur.
Athrwys ap Tewdrig, King of Glywyssing & Gwent

In the "about" section.....

Now recognized to be the one known as KING ARTHUR of current fame and legendary. A war-leader and defender of his country - the right man in the right place at the right time.

Arthwys (Arthur) ap Meurig, King; St. Armel is your 37th great grandfather.

so this is the true king Arthure?

i cant wait to conect the Wearwolf of london anf my Gévaudan beast french blood line in geni

for my knowledge this profile should be label FICTIONAL

Athrwys ap Tewdrig, King of Glywyssing & Gwent

Martin - feel free to get hold of the managers and curator - but, from what I can see at a quick glance, the person in the profile existed - There is postulation that the fictional character was based on him.

As to your Wearwolf Bloodline - there's a story worth telling :-)

certainly not fictional. This was a real person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athrwys_ap_Meurig

Now what you say should be labeled finctional is probably this one,
King Arthur, Geoffrey of Monmouth Text

And is labeled as FICTIONAL.