Query on marriage of Elizabeth Mobbs to Joseph Turner

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Elizabeth G. Williamson is showing on geni as the partner of Alexander W Williamson [Convict "Countess of Harcourt" 1827] and the wife of Joseph Turner

Attached to Elizabeth is a wedding record between an Elizabeth WILLIAMSON and Joseph TURNER for the 16/4/1882. The bride Elizabeth is described as a Widow. There are no parents or age of either bride or groom listed.

Attached to Elizabeth is a death record for 5/2/1891 - showing her father as John MOBBS and mother as Eliza GRONO and her spouse as Alexander WILLIAMSON (married since 18). The information was her son Charles A WILLIAMSON

Alexander W Williamson [Convict "Countess of Harcourt" 1827] died 7/9/1882 so he was still living on the 16/4/1882 when the widow Elizabeth married Joseph TURNER.
Note: attached to Alexander's profile is his death certificate for the 7/9/1882 and that he had been married to Elizabeth MOBBS for 33 years

Alexander's will refers to Elizabeth as his wife.

Joseph TURNER did not die until 1911, so was still living at Elizabeth's death in 1891.

Given that Elizabeth WILLIAMSON is recorded as a widow on the marriage to Joseph TURNER and that Elizabeth MOBBS's husband Alexander WILLIAMSON was still alive, I don't think there is enough evidence to conclude that Elizabeth WILLIAMSON = Elizabeth MOBBS

7/1/2017 at 3:17 PM

Alexander Williamson was never "married" to Elizabeth Mobbs, there is no Marriage Certificate for these two individuals,
This is because Alexander Williamson wasn't ever divorced from his wife Margaret Williamson nee Henderson
So the term Partner is accurate
The Joseph Turner connection is controversial and open for discussion
The slant on it is that by the actual marriage of an Elizabeth Williamson in Nurea whilst Alexander Williamson was still alive, was that he was quite senile and his will dictated that his property ( farm on the bell river) would go to his wife. Elizabeth it is suggested, married Turner because "legally" she wasn't married to Williamson, and by this marriage to Turner it meant that when Alexander Williamson died, which was only a few months after the marriage, his will reverted to the Sons receiving the benefit, which I believe was the intent

How do you explain that the Elizabeth who married Joseph TURNER was a widow at the time of the marriage (as opposed to a spinster)?

7/2/2017 at 11:56 AM

Marriage records were not accurately transcribed at this time. Either were death certificates. As in this case, Charles Williamson incorrectly giving Elizabeth Mobbs' grandparents as her parents names on her death Cert.
Charles was non the wiser as to the correct names of his mothers parents, because Elizabeth never told him. Elizabeth had been austracised by her biological parents due to her association with Alexander Williamson, a man almost twice her age and married. Bringing disrespect and shame to the Mobbs family.... a highly regarded family by 1830s in the Dundas /Carlingford area...... known as ;Orange Grove.
Elizabeth had conversely rebuked her real parents upon her decision to stay involved with Williamson, and perhaps spoke of her grandparents as family, perhaps due to their neutrality on the whole matter.... and hence Elizabeth endearing herself to them as her family link.
Joseph Turner was a boot maker from Nurea.... Alexander Williamson was a boot maker by trade himself, and lived only a few miles away from Turners shop. So it's inevitable that Alexander and Elizabeth mixed with Turner.... a 50 yr old bachelor at the time of his marriage to an Elizabeth Williamson
If you can enlighten us all of who the Elizabeth Williamson who married Joseph Turner is, it would be my pleasure to change Elizabeth Williamson (nee Mobbs) profile detail.
On Elizabeth Williamsons death in 1892 which is correct..... why did it take her death Certificate registration take 10 years to process ??

7/2/2017 at 12:38 PM

Typo.... Elizabeth Williamson death year was 1891.
If you research Elizabeth's death registry entry... it's dated 1901 ..... why the 10 year delay

7/8/2017 at 12:57 AM

There was another Williamson family, seemingly unrelated, living in the Molong area. I have not researched that family, it could be worth a look.

7/9/2017 at 4:30 AM

It would be most excellent of you to pursue this Julia.
It would be brilliant to confirm which Elizabeth Williamson it was.

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/51434573/person...

Has Joseph TURNER married to Elizabeth MOBBS
- born 1828 Yorkshire, UK
- died 1911 Wellington, NSW
- travelling from England to Australia (departed England 9 April 1908 and arrived in Sydney June 1908)

By this, we assume that he travelled back to England at 80.

Is there any information on when he arrived in Australia between 1828 and 1882?

Do we know who were the witnesses to the marriage to Elizabeth Williamson in 1882?

Elizabeth WILLIAMSON's death notice in the paper

WILLIAMSON.— On the 5th February, 1891, at her daughter's residence, Warne, ELIZABETH, widow of the late Alexander Williamson, aged 74 years. Mr. Williamson was 84 years of age at his death and his widow was the mother of eight sons and two daughters, of whom six sons and two daughters are living the eldest son (Mr. John Williamson) being now 52 years of age. Deceased was a native of Parramatta, and for the last 20 years resided at Boomey. She was during her last illness (which lasted for four months), attended by Drs. Maguire and Codrington. Her end was peace.

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