Lee - Captain Thomas Lee

Started by Beverly Renee Hallman Marsh, Gedmatch Kit #XK9447597 on Saturday, January 13, 2018
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Captain Thomas Lee is my 5th great grandfather, married to Mary Bryan....they had several children together. two of whom were Winifred Lee who married William Bailey, and the other being Needham Lee who married Susan Bailey, who were siblings, Captain Thomas Lee was the son of John Esquire Lee and Mary Bryan Lee. my question here is why are they not listed as their children here? thanks, Renee

I agree that Thomas Lee needs to be added as a child of John Lee & Mary Lee (Bryan), as it is witnessed in John Lee's Will....

'Will of John LEE, Esquire
from Johnston County, North Carolina, Wills 1760-1830, Vol. II, page 95. Raleigh, NC, State Dept. of Archives and History, Johnston County Records. Photocopy marked Lee-0011-001 to -004 in margin.
Cover: "John Lee's Will. To [possibly 'pro' or 'for'?] February Term 1768.

In the Name of god Amen. I John Lee [smudged mark, possibly 'ym'='yeoman' or 'gn'='gentleman'?] of Johnston County & Province of North Carolina Being So at this Time Tollerbly well in Health and of Sound Mind and Memory but Calling to mind the mortallity of Body and that it is Apointed for all men Once to Die do make and Ordain this my Last will and Testament in manner and form following that is to Say first Principally first of all I Recommend my Soul into the hands of God that Gave it as for my Body I Commit it to the Earth to be Buried in a Decent manner at the Discression of my Executors But Regarding my Worldly Estate with which it hath Pleased god to Bless me with I Dispose of it in the following manner Viz: in the first Place I Desire that all my Just Debts and funeral Charges be fully Sattisfied and Paid.

Imprimis I Lend to my well beloved wife Mary Lee [this would be BRYAN] this Plantation whereon I now Live and all my Personal Estate for her to be Possest with and Injoy During her Life or widowhood.

Item. I Give and bequeath unto my Son Robart Lee one Negro boy Named Seasser to him and his Heirs forever.

Item. I Give and Bequeath unto unto [sic] my Son Edward Lee one Hundred Acres of Land more or Less in the Low grounds of Neuse River whereon he has Cleared a Plantation Joyning John Lees Line and a Hundred Acres of Land Lying in the Low grounds Called John Greens field and Seventy five Acres of Land More or less Lying on Mill Creek at the Bridge and one Negro boy Called [torn--appears to be Abel] to him and his heirs forever.

Item. I Give and Bequeath unto my Son John Lee two hundred Acres of Land more or Less in the Low grounds of the River whereon is act [sic] Plantation Called the Cows Bones and one Hundred Acres Lying in Bearhill joyning of his own Land and two Negros a Boy and Girl Called Charles and Linn to him and his Heirs forever.

Item. I Give and Bequeath unto my Son Thomas Lee after my wifes Decease or widowhood the Plantation whereon I Now Live with the Remaining Part of the Low grounds and two hundred Acres of Land Lying in the Low ground Called Fredricks Lands and Part of a Tract of Land Called Trapnals Land it being the Part Joyning the Plantation it being Divided by a Line of Marked Trees Beginning at a Hickrey Tree at the mouth of the Cypress gut on the River and Running by the Line of Marked Trees to the Back Line and one Negro man Called Cuggo and a Negro Girl called Jenney to him and his Heirs forever.

Item. I give and Bequeath unto my Son Fredrick Lee one Negro wench Called Rachel to him and his Heirs forever.

Item. [line at fold torn and illegible--one word appears to be 'marriage'] Called Buster to her and her and her [sic] Heirs forever.

Item. I give and Bequeath unto my Daughter Mary Ballanger one Negro wench Called Nice and the and the [sic] Remaining Part of the Land Called Trapnals Lands to her and her Heirs forever.

Item. I give and Bequeath unto my Daughter Sabray Green one Negro Girl Called Bine [?] and twenty Pounds [illegible word, looks like 'Proek'] to be Paid out of my Estate to her and her heirs for ever.

"Item. I give & Bequeath unto my Grandson Shadrack Ingram one Plantation Containing two hundred Acres of Land more or Less Joyning Richard Ingrams Line & John Lees Line and three hundred Acres of Land Lying ond [sic] White Oak Swamp a Branch of Mill Creek and a Negro Girl Called Judah to him and his Heirs forever.

Item. I will that all the Remaining Part of my Personal Estate after my wifes Diceas or widow hood to be Equally Devided amongst my Children above Named to be Equally Devided by my Executors hereafter Named & I do hereby apoint my Son Edward Lee and John Lee to be my hole and Sole Executors of this my Last will and Testament utterly Revoking and Disanuling all Other Or former wills and Testaments by me before made.

In Witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand and affixed my Seal this 4th Day of December in the year of Our Lord one thousand Seven Hundred and Sixty Six.

John [I] Lee
[mark appears to be a crossed capital I]

Signed Sealed and Delivered in the Presence of us:

Richard [a cross] GLees his mark [name not clear; could be Dees]
Gilbird [a cross] hix his mark
Samll. Smith jr.

Thank you, yes I have a copy of this in my files, and the Needham Lee and Winnifred Lee Bailey I mentioned are the children of John Lees son Thomas Lee that married Mary Bryan, I go through both of them up this line. thank you for quick response, Renee

Just curious, Beverly, do you know Mary Lee's birthname & parents?

I have Ingram, as Mary Lee's last name

Mary Bryan married to Thomas Lee? she was first married to John Rains. her parents were William Bryan 1724-1795 and Elizabeth Smith 1729-1742. William Bryan is the son of Needham Bryan 1690-1770 and Anne Rombeau 1692-1773. Elizabeth Smiths parents were John Smith 1700-1760 and Elizabeth Whitfield 1702-1765. Thomas Lee 1729-1816 parents were esq John Lee1691-1768 and Mary Bryan Lee 1693-1740....iam still working on this one. many claim her as the Mary Bryan that married Thomas Lee, which according to my paid researcher and files sent to me from her is not correct. now, Thomas Lee evidently was married a few times so I believe he married Mary Ingraham at one time too. my Mary Bryan and Thomas Lee had a daughter Mary Lee that married Jones C. Griffen as well. These lines are quite confusing, reason I hired a researcher to go through as well. as far as I know when my Mary Bryan was married to Thomas Lee there were only 4 children born to them, she already had her son from previous marriage to John Raines..she then had John born 1763, Needham born1770, daughter Winnifred, and daughter Mary. the other children belong to another Mary as far as we can tell. hope this helps. Renee.

This particular Thomas Lee can be found at the Lee DNA Surname Project as ID #111, http://leedna.com/dnaresults.php?id=111

He is NOT related in the male line to any member of THE Lees.

As for John Lee Esq. m. Mary (Bryan?), his father, current research says he's the head of his own line. There are a couple of "strays" who may be descendants or collaterals, but it's pretty close grouping otherwise.

Lees are always a difficult subject here, because there are so very many Lee families but people focus on only one of them (the one that includes Gen. Robert E. Lee - for some reason they're totally fixated on him).

There are a few members who insist they *must* be related to Marse Robert, even when Y-DNA research says otherwise. (One or two of them may be right, if they're willing to accept a very, very distant cousinship - the Abner/Jehu Lees may be *very* remote collateral relatives to THE Lees, probably not more recent than the reign of Bad King John.)

So.... exactly what are you saying? are you trying to say my lineage is wrong Maven B. Helms?

I actually could careless if I am kin to Robert E. Lee lol, just want my lineage correct.

I think I am quite confused now Maven, are you saying my Thomas is the son of John Lee Esquire, but did not marry Mary Bryan, who was married to a Raines before she married my Thomas Lee? or are you agreeing with me? sorry, these lines are very confusing. Thanks, Renee.

Yes they are very confusing. Some primary records (birth, marriage, death, wills, land, etc.) would be especially helpful if they can be found.

It seems a bit odd that father and son would marry women with the same name, but it has been known to happen, particularly in small gene pools where there is not a lot of imagination in naming children. (It has also been known for surnames to drift up or down the tree - so the present question is, was John Lee Esq's wife Mary also a Bryan? Or did some researcher get a bit careless?)

Let me ask you this, do you know anything about this Alice McLand I believe is her name that is supposed to be the mother of Mary Bryan married to John Esq? my researcher has not mentioned her yet, but I have heard she doesn't exist, some have her as Alice Needham.

Got nothing, and the best source for this sort of thing (Rootsweb) is down indefinitely - Ancestry.com *promises* that "some" of it wll be brought back up a bit at a time but no one trusts them any more.

If you hear any jive about "Lady" Alice Needham, it's probably a crock.

That's what I think too. Thank you Maven.

Hon. Needham Lee, Sr. had been disconnected from his parents in error, he’s back in place, but there are still issues with the tree.

Notably the Bryan / Bryant’s had been confused ... again

Capt Thomas Lee has picked up parents ... again

His possible 1st wife had gone away. I recreated her but she attached to children who can’t possibly be hers. I don’t know where they belong as yet.

I urge care with this tree, it’s very confusing, and we have Master Profiles - so there should not be a need for re entering until recent times.

John Lee of NC & Mary Bryan Lee are my 7th G-grandparents.
Her profile on Geni Now shows her not to be. Sorry, but Geni is incorrect.

John LEE ESQ. of Johnston County, North Carolina, 7G Grandfather
& Mary W BRYAN, 7G Grandmother
| Sr. Edward N Lee Sr, 6G Grandfather
| & Mary Lee ALLEN, 6G Grandmother
| | Lemuel “Lom” Samuel LEE, 5G Grandfather
| | & Ann Mary Raines, 5G Grandmother
| | | William Samuel LEE, GGGG Grandfather
| | | & Eliza Dicey Ennis, GGGG Grandmother
| | | | Britton LEE, GGG Grandfather
| | | | & Martha Patsey Collier, GGG Grandmother
| | | | | William M (Manassas) “Will” Lee, GG Grandfather
| | | | | & Malissa (Melissa Mariliza) LEE Allen, GG Grandmother
| | | | | | Edith Lucinda LEE, G Grandmother
| | | | | | & Edgar Jackson Smith (DNA Markers: R1b1a2a1a1b), G Grandfather
| | | | | | | Henry Loyd SMITH Sr., Grandfather
| | | | | | | & Alice Elmyra HENLEY, Grandmother
| | | | | | | | Geneva Allene SMITH, Mother
| | | | | | | | & Marvin Henry (Toad) WELBORN, Father
| | | | | | | | | Marvin Loyd WELBORN*, Source
| | | | | | | | | & Arlene Doris Duncanson-Taylor
| | | | | | | | | Marvin Loyd WELBORN*, Source
| | | | | | | | | & Linda Michelle Brannick

Marvin Loyd Welborn I was just going to tag you. You put good notes into Elizabeth Ingram Lee. Her name had been blanked out - I reverted. She’s attached as wife of John Raines. Can you help find her parents and make sure she’s attached to the correct husbands ? I can move around for you but you clearly know this area. Help much appreciated

Mary Lee reattached to parents

Is she the 3rd wife of Capt. Thomas Lee, of Lee Valley and widow of John Raines also ?

Recreated profile for Who are you Lee, of Northumberland

James Bryan Lee needs to be reattached to correct parents

Thomas Greenberry Lee, of Hawkins County recreated profile I believe this was the culprit behind the family mixup. I do not have sources for this family so please fill in what you know

Can tell you one thing about Thomas Greenberry Lee - his roots go back to Maryland, and probably to Anne Arundel County. It's the "Greenberry" that's the giveaway - that all started in honor of Col. Nicholas Greenberry, 4th Royal Governor of Maryland. He was *very* highly thought of in his time and afterward, and people named sons after him until long after they had forgotten the reason. So whenever and wherever you find someone with a first *or* middle name of "Greenberry" (or "Greenbury", or "Green Berry", that's where it comes from.

Leedna.com has several records for a Greenberry (or Green Berry) Lee in Georgia, born 1799/1800, m. Martha Jane Taylor, d. 1869 Covington County, AL He is of the "Hugh Lee" line.

Are we SURE that Thomas Greenberry Lee went to Tennessee, and not Georgia? He's been so thoroughly mashed up with other Thomas Lees, that could be wrong too.

Beverley referenced a "Needham Lee" up toward the top of this discussion. Leedna.com has one, but he's a *Nansemond* Lee, ancestry tracing back to Ralph Leigh of Camarthen - therefore not related to either of the Thomas Lees we've been dealing with. http://leedna.com/dnaresults.php?id=37

Thomas Greenberry Lee is not Thomas Lee of this line! Mary Raines married Raines first and had a child with him, then married Thomas Lee son of John Lee Esquire and Mary Bryan, married Mary Bryan daughter of William Bryan and Elizabeth Smith. Mary Bryan and Thomas Lee had 4 children between themselves. Mary Lee who married John C Griffen,, Winifred Lee who married William Bailey,( my grandparents), Needham Lee married Susan Bailey ( also my grandparents), and John Hancock Lee married Elizabeth Bell...and Henry Raines who was the son from her first marriage to John Raines. William Bryan father of Mary Bryan that married our Thomas was the son of Needham Bryan 1690 and Anne or Annie Rombeau, parents of Annie unattached to previous parents because it was wrong. also, Mary Bryan was not Mary Ingrham. I believe Mary Bryan married to John Lee Esquire was the sister of Needham Lee 1690, but still working on this. I too think the whole mix up is Thomas Lee is being alternated with Thomas Greenberry Lee which is wrong.

My Needham Lee was born 1770-1821

I think there's at least three lines mashed up together here - possibly four or more. There's the inevitable meddling with THE Lees (crude and discredited attempt to graft onto the Ditchley line), there's the John Esq. Lees (probably the base line for Thomas Lee m. Mary widow Bryan), the Hugh Lees (where the "Greenberry" got mixed in from?), and maybe the Nansemond Lees too.

Nice little snarl-up.

I think you are correct, would it help for me to list how I descend Maven B. Helms?

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