Thomas Brewer - Thomas Brewer's death place

I am going to tag some of these profiles so we can follow this discussion, there are definitely discrepancies

""I have gotten to know Peter Brewer regarding his Brewer's who all came from Sudbury, MA or near it.

On Geni we now have two brothers, (1) John of London 1594-1636 John Brewer, of London & Virginia who died in Virginia as did all his family down through George G. Brewer b1670 George Brewer, of Brunswick County (this Brewer branch is called the Virginia Brewers/later NC and then Indiana for many of them),

(2) Thomas of London 1596-1690 or 1698 Thomas Brewer, of Somerset, England who died in Sudbury, MA not Virginia as it is supposed on Geni now.

Thomas's son John Brewer c1620-1684 John Brewer, Sr., of Ipswich came with his wife to Massachusetts near Boston in 1642. (This John Brewer does not show a son John II)

His son John II Brewer was born in MA b.1642 d1691 MA Capt. John Brewer, of Sudbury (there was a merge on this profile yesterday and suffix changed from II to III .Why.if his father was John I his parents are showing as John Brewer I and Ann Brewer), his son was Lt. Jonathan Brewer 1669-1709 Jonathan Brewer .

So I have requested merging the MA John Brewer the immigrant line into the Thomas Brewer (should be 1596-1690 or 98) and change him to died in MA.

Then the MA and VA lines will be clearly separated and the two lines distinguished under the 2 brothers, John b1594 and Thomas b1596.

Then both of them had Thomas Brewer 1574-1631 Chard, Somerset, UK as their father. It would be good if am one of the managers of this Thomas Brewer as well and of his father Thomas b1574. Thanks. Gary Allen Singleton

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Marsha Gail Kamish

Erica Howton

Thomas Brewer, of London

Thomas Brewer, of Somerset, England

http://mjgen.com/brewer/brewer.html

William Brewer was born 1520 and died 1618 (age 98). He married Deannes Baker. They had a son: Thomas

2nd generation:

Thomas Brewer was born in 1540 in Somerset, England and died in 1637, probably in London. He married Mary Drake. He lived in Chard, England and later moved to London. His sons were John & Thomas.

John Brewer I died in Virginia in 1635 and his widow soon afterwards married Rev. Thomas Butler "Clark and Parson of Denbie", or later Warwick County. Thomas died in 1637.

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If this genealogy is acceptable names & dates should be adjusted accordingly.

Corp. John Brewer Disconnected from parents as per the overview notes. However I do not know if parents referenced are valid, that needs more research.

Do not confuse with the other John Brewer, Sr., of Ipswich

Private User We need sources for this John M Brewer

Hannah Roper Is listed as daughter of Anne Skinner, who was married to Corp. John Brewer

Notes in her profile with Ancestry, not sure if correct

Cross reference this earlier discussion

https://www.geni.com/discussions/87986?msg=663322

I agree with @Angus Wood-Salomon that Capt. John Brewer, of Sudbury should be John Brewer II. I was trying to straighten out some things on that family and it was probably me who messed that up - sorry.

I'll look back at how I found John M Brewer. If I can't figure that out, I'll delete him.

Erica Howton
For clarification would it not be best to revert Capt. John Brewer, of Sudbury to John Brewer II

The John Brewers are always getting mixed up. This time we’ll lock relationships.

Hannah Roper was the daughter of John Brewer, Sr., of Ipswich & his 1st wife Hannah “Ann” Loker

I deleted the Death date / Location of 03/23/1698 Jamestown from the profile for Thomas Brewer, of Somerset, England

I want to straighten out descent before addressing English Ancestry.

Re: https://www.geni.com/discussions/184457?msg=1234574

I disagree. The source calls him John Brewer of Sudbury. Not Jr, not ll. Can put in AKA but for clarification toponyms in suffix work much, much better (says 8 years of de tangling ...)

Another parent dispute

Sarah Brewer

Colonial families has her as daughter of John Brewer b 1620 & his 2nd wife Mary Brewer

Graves Family has her as daughter of Crispus Brewer & his wife Mary

Cross referencing previous discussion

https://www.geni.com/discussions/111771?msg=808924

Here’s Vital Records of Ipswich, births & marriages, for Brewer

http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Essex/Ipswich/aBirthsB.shtml

http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Essex/Ipswich/aMarriagesB.shtml

All of you are just marvelous to pick up the torch on my beginning this discussion. Really as Erica Howton writes "If this genealogy is acceptable names & dates should be adjusted accordingly." @3:51pm Sunday, it is a matter of which dates of birth are more accurate for Dr. William through the Johns of Virginia. The names and generations and dates of death are all agreed on. I was just trying to clean up the issue that the Sudbury, MA family has and wrote Peter Brewer. He more or less just "shrugged his shoulders" and said it is confusing. So I see now that you cannot accept yet connecting the Sudbury line in with the Chard to Virginia line. After reading all the notes on the Sudbury family I can now see why. That is fine with me. That is not my line anyway. Let me introduce myself. From 1970-1980 I lived in Europe, mainly England. For 4 years I studied the original records for the main branches in my family: Singleton, Brewer (my mother), Stubbs, Blossom, and Mendenhall/Mildenhall. In 1983 I wrote a paper about all the documentation I found, how I found it, and what it said. I deposited my work with several college libraries which were connected with my families, especially Quakers. After 10 years I started hearing things from people who had read my work. In 1996 I joined the Mendenhall Family Association and started sharing with them what I had found. I have spoken at 3 of their reunions and when their first editor/researcher Dean Leonard died in 2007, they gave all of Dean's positions to me as well as electing me Secretary since 2011. I am considered the premier researcher for the Mendenhalls worldwide. My two cousin Brewers, Bill and Bob took on the task of researching Brewers and Blossoms from where I left off. That was very fortunate for connecting with most everything on GENI world tree. Earlier this year I started posting my Mendenhalls and Brewers on GENI after I placed them first on MyHeritage. GENI curator Ann Brannen noticed that I was doing it the MyHeritage way and taught me how to do it the right way. We agreed that later this year I would slowly begin to patch up the Mildenhall family tree on GENI because it is really a mess. Ann looked at what I had done with the Brewer family tree after she taught me how to do it. I think she approved what I had done and made me manager of many of the profiles from the 1400's on. You can see in the revisions what I did during the month of May. I studied everything about the Chard/Sinton Brewers and like I said I have helped my 2 Brewer cousins especially with the Virginia to North Carolina period. Ann Brannen had me change the name for William Jun DeBrewere 1475-1562 I suppose because the Name Jun was not a name. It was short for Junior. On GENI you usually use II, etc. Next was Edward 1500-91, then Dr. William Brewer physician. Documentation is excellent for him and his wife on GENI because there is a grave memorial for them in the church at Chard, Somerset. The birth date is not given. That is too bad. But his wife's appears to be circa 1555. The key fact in the memorial is where it states that they had 40 years of marriage ending in 1614 with the death of the wife. William died in 1618. Graves tend to get that one right. Subtract 40 years from 1614 and you have the marriage date for William: 1574. So the birthdate for their firstborn Thomas being 1540 is wrong, then 1520 for William is wrong, and 1565 for John I who died in Virginia is wrong. John L. Brewer II of Virginia is dated(confirmed) by the will of his father being written in 1631 in London before departure where he states that his son John was still a minor. So that agrees with the accepted date of birth for John II as 1614 and John III as 1635 in Virginia. So I changed the dates to what they are now and believe they should stay that way. The whole order of names, locations, and dates makes total sense now. They did not make much sense when I first saw them. I got confirmations on the dates also by confirmations from MyHeritage members. So they are: Dr. William Brewer 1548-1618 (moving all birthdates up/I see Findagrave and many others agree on 1548), Thomas 1574-1631 or 37(Ann Drake), John 1594-1635 will probated in London 1636). This then puts all the siblings of John b1594 correctly beside him being born in the 1590's and 1600's. That mjgen.com website entry Erica gave to us is just great. It gives so much original documented information. The Royal Ralph Hinman record is excellent also. These records are just weak on the dates of birth. Thanks again everybody.

Gary Allen Singleton
One of the features of Geni is whenever we tag a profile in a Geni discussion, it adds the discussion to the discussion tab of those profiles, so when you see me tag the profiles it is for that purpose.

William de Brewere of Topcroft and Wenham
Edward Holden Brewer

"Dr. William Brewer physician Dr. William Brewer, of Chard . Documentation is excellent for him and his wife Deannes Brewer on GENI because there is a grave memorial for them in the church at Chard, Somerset. The birth date is not given. That is too bad. But his wife's appears to be circa 1555. The key fact in the memorial is where it states that they had 40 years of marriage ending in 1614 with the death of the wife. William died in 1618. Graves tend to get that one right. Subtract 40 years from 1614 and you have the marriage date for William: 1574.

So the birthdate for their firstborn Thomas Thomas Brewer, of London being 1540 is wrong (birthdate shows after 1574), then 1520 for William is wrong, and 1565 for John I John Brewer, of London & Virginia (birth date shows c.1596) shows who died in Virginia is wrong.

John L. Brewer II of Virginia John Brewer, II, of Isle of Wight is dated(confirmed) by the will of his father being written in 1631 in London before departure where he states that his son John was still a minor. So that agrees with the accepted date of birth for John II as 1614 and John III John Brewer III (of VA) as 1635 in Virginia. So I changed the dates to what they are now and believe they should stay that way.

Gary please check those links that I posted are correct.

Yes, they look great now. I see it simplified it quite a bit by reducing the children of @Thomas Brewer, of London b1574 with the duplications that were in there and the doubts about who Thomas Jr. really was and who were his children. The other children of Thomas b1574 I guess had no real link to the family, nor links to continuing trees. So you ended up with conforming exactly to the will(s) that we can see, especially the father of John Brewer, of London & Virginia for sure being Thomas Brewer and he was still living in 1631 as well as John's brother Thomas still living. Thanks so much, Angus ps. among the Mendenhalls we also have a confusion between two locations in Wiltshire, Little Bedwyn and Ramsbury(Marridge Hill), where our family lineage grew from 1444-1682. This mixup is the primary one seen on Geni at the Mildenhall family. The Little Bedwyn branch has almost exclusively remained in England whereas we estimate there are over one million descendants of the Marridge Hill branch here in the USA. We have members from both branches in the Mendenhall Family Association and they clearly understand(especially the ones in England) the difference between the 2 branches. We have tested both branches' male ydna and have proved that we all have a Most Recent Common Ancestor from 600 years ago in the person of Walter Myldenale who died at the Battle of Tewkesbury with the defeat of the Lancastrians at the hands of the Yorkists and King Edward IV.

still trying to get a handle on this tagging thing. I see my computer has to pull up the right choices, but it is not happening right yet. sorry.

What we call tagging is to use a link to the profiles of the people you would like to discuss e.g you said
"Ann Brannen had me change the name for William Jun DeBrewere 1475-1562 I suppose because the Name Jun was not a name. It was short for Junior. On GENI you usually use II, etc. Next was Edward 1500-91, then Dr. William Brewer physician.

It is best if you could show the links to the people you mentioned e,g William Jun DeBrewere 1475-1562 would be William de Brewere of Topcroft and Wenham

Edward 1500-91 would be Edward Holden Brewer

Dr. William Brewer physician would be Dr. William Brewer, of Chard

If you now open any of those profiles, click on the 'Discussion' tab (down below) you will see this discussion associated with it, this helps for future discussions just in case someone else wants to discuss about those profiles.

An example is this discussion is associated with some of these profiles
https://www.geni.com/discussions/87986?msg=663322

William Brewes, Esq., of Stinton Hall Who married Elizabeth “Isabel” Brewes / Jermy had 2 co heirs only:

Thomasine Hansard who married Sir Thomas Hansard, of Whittingham and Ludborough

Anne Townsend Who married Sir Roger Townshend, Jr., MP

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Disconnecting the extra children

John Brewer who married Mary William de Brewere of Topcroft and Wenham who married Rohese Lucy and Robert Brewes

I cannot find their parents so far.

Thanks, Erica for your search on the Brewers. Yesterday, I searched through all the super search links and found very little that was of any help, like you said. My wife was looking at all my notes from the day and was looking skeptical. Reading her mind, she was thinking, "Why?" My two Brewer grandparents still have each one of them separate direct ancestry from Sir Thomas Braose 1407-92 Topcroft but through several daughters. So we just lost the YDNA connection. My cousin Bill Brewer who has led our research on our Brewer line just turned 83 yesterday and remains dormant now from what we are doing with his father-line. His YDNA which appears on the Brewer YDNA project as descending from Bryant/Briant Brewer b1799 is your basic I-M253 with a very specific family group subclade now I-Y21524. The I-M253 as we have proved from the Mendenhall/Mildenhall family is from the Scandinavian Normans. William de Briouze, Normandy from the Norman invasion of 1066 is seen as the progenitor of the Brewer family. I have not seen anybody from the YDNA project definitely identified back to the Suffolk/Norfolk Stinton family line. Surely there are a few there in the Brewer Project. It would be better if it was a Brewer who has a proven Brewer line still in England from 1441-at least 1800. Then we could compare their 110 test with ours. That was how we verified the Mendenhall family back to 1400+ using the YDNA of Gerald Mendenhall (deceased now) and Peter Mendenhall of Nottingham, England, host of our next Mendenhall reunion in Swindon, Wilts next September. As an example of how our Brewers could prove from here their descent from the Normans of the 1066 invasion, I will give here how the Mendenhalls did it. When I moved from England to the USA in 1980, I carried with me the Mildenhall family lineage I had discovered back to Thomas Mildenale on the 1525 Ramsbury, Wilts tax lists down to Yeomen. His son Thomas Mildenhall appeared next on the 1545 tax list for Marridge Hill, Ramsbury and his brother William Mildenale appeared on the Little Bedwyn tax list. Peter Mendenhall descends from William and Gerald Mendenhall descends from Thomas of 1545 bc1510 and the YDNA says that William and Thomas are brothers. They were too young to be on the 1525 tax list, so Thomas the elder was their father and born in the 1460s. When in 1994 we formed the Mendenhall Family Association and went on-line, we had then English Mildenhalls become members: Ed Sinker, Peter Minall and Iris Mildenhall, these last two now deceased. They both had proven their descent from the Mildenhalls of Great/Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire. Peter Mendenhall is still living and has his own website which proves his descent from the Bedwyn Mildenhalls also. So our finding the tax lists of 1525-45 plus adding the YDNA of Peter and Gerald proved we are all cousins. Ed Sinker was in a record office of a county just north of Wiltshire and accidentally spotted a book listing Wiltshire land transactions from the 1400s. There he found the transaction between Richard Mildenale of Ramsbury and his stated son Walter Mildenale in 1444 giving him a parcel of land at Froxfield, Wilts. which is in the Little/Great Bedwyn jurisdiction. That was where we found Willliam Mildenale in 1545. Then Ed Sinker found all the church records of Ramsbury showing two generations there of Richard Mildenhalls born about 1370 and 1400. I had already found the London PRO 1381 Poll Tax list showing Robert Mildenale in Ramsbury. Then Ed found the village of nearby Mildenhall church's records which showed the line was Ydania de Mildehal b1220, Ralph de Mildenhall, John de Mildenhall b1270, Thomas b1300, and on to Robert of Ramsbury b1342. At that time they were called upon to accompany Edward II and III in their wars with France and appeared in many royal records of the time. Marlborough and Mildenhall were well known headquarters of Norman activity and residence in the 1100s and 1200s which indicated that Sir John de Mildenhall b1270 was Norman. The YDNA proved it. One conclusion from this is that we need an "Ed Sinker" from England to help us out with the Brewer American lineage. Otherwise the YDNA could really help. We will see how that goes.

Hi Gary Allen Singleton, good to see you again.

Indeed, let’s hope for more Y DNA testing, but meanwhile, the interpretation of documents seems to be our best way to clarify.

Yes, the interpretation of Documents is primary. For example, Domesday Book did contain a de Mildenhall from near Salisbury, Wilts. 1066-86. But I would not use him as a link from 1086 to the birth of Ralph Mildenhall in 1240 because there are at least 5 generations between them and the Domesday Mildenhall descendants could have gone anywhere in the interim period, maybe not to Mildenhall village. So I am happy with the YDNA proof confirming that the Marridge Hill, Ramsbury line was a brother line with the Bedwyn lines. So that confirms the Mendenhall family trees back to 1444 both in the USA and still in England. Plus it gives their Norman ancestry from 1066.