Sir Robert Stewart of Innermeath, Knight - Robert Stewart of Innermeath, Knight

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8/26/2020 at 10:09 AM

Other on-line records [cited in wikitree] refer to a *Robert Stewart (Abt. 1310-Abt. 1388), spouse of Catherine MAcDougall (1316-) daughter of John "Iain MacDhùghaill, 5th Lord of Dunollie and Lorn" Macdougall, born about 1270 in Lorne, Scotland. That *Robert is also cited as son of James Stewart (abt. 1276-19 Jul 1333) (father of this Robert, above), but by an unnamed mother; and some of the children of the two Roberts appear to be the same people, so both records can't be right. Is there any source that attempts to positively identify both Roberts as son of this James, or are there two different James Stewarts who are the fathers?

8/26/2020 at 11:03 AM

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000087992594990

They look like the same person to me, with mother & wife / wives needing better identification.

https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getpe... Does not name a mother & does not name wife Catharine MacDougall

On geni Catherine has no children. Who is listed as her child elsewhere?

Dates for her supposed father are different here:

https://macdougall.org/chiefs/

V – Eoin de Ergadia (John of Argyll) known as Sir John of Lorn (1310 – d. 1317) :      Fifth Chief of the clan and son of our Fourth Chief, Sir Alexander. He is often referred to as “Iain Bacach” meaning Lame John but there is no authority in contemporary records to indicate that he was called that until that by-name for him appeared in writings made centuries later. He first appears in the record swearing fealty to Edward I in 1291. In 1294 (or 1296) he led the band of MacDougalls who battled the Campbells of Lochawe at Allt Dearg (The Red Ford) in Nether Lorn during which the Campbell Chief Cailein Mor was killed by an arrow. He defeated Robert Bruce at Dalrigh near Tyndrum in Strathfillan on August 11, 1306 where the fleeing Bruce was forced to abandon his cloak and its cloak brooch in the dying grasp of one of his attackers. Thus clan MacDougall came into possession of the Brooch of Lorn which it still possesses. Barbour, the Bard, in his epic history poem “The Brus” (The Bruce) seventy years later recounted Sir John’s comments comparing Bruce’s miraculous escape to Goll mac Morna’s escape from Finn mac Cumhail, a famous event in Gaelic literature.

8/26/2020 at 11:07 AM

I do not see a daughter Catherine here: Sir John MacDougall, 5th of Dunollie and of Lorn

8/26/2020 at 11:10 AM

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacDougall-66

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Daughter of John Macdougall and [mother unknown]

Wife of Robert Stewart — married [date unknown] [location unknown]

Mother of John Stewart and Robert Stewart

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stewart-1180

Robert Stewart was the son of Sir. James Stewart of Pearson who was killed at the battle of Halidon Hill on 19 July 1333.

Robert received a charter from King David II on 23 March 1362/63, for the lands of Dalzell, and in 1374 he received another charter for the lands of Durrisdeer. He is identified as Robertus Senescallus de Innermeath present at the Parliament of Scone, 4 April 1373 [1]

He died about 1388.[2][3]

Children of Robert Stewart of Innermeath

John Stewart, Lord of Lorn d. April 26, 1421
Robert Stewart of Durisdeer d. July 21, 1403
Catherine Stewart John Beatoun [Bethune] of Balfour
He is not to be confused with Robert Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany (b. 1339, d. 03 Sep 1420).

Robert (Sir), of Innermeath (Invermay), Perthshire; sat in Parliament as a feudal Baron; one of the magnates who personally took the oath to observe the succession to the Crown 1373; granted lands of Durrisdeer 1374; died c1388, leaving [Sir John], with a younger son (Robert, ancestor of the Stewarts of Rosyth) and a daughter (Catherine; married John Beatoun of Balfour). [Burke's Peerage][4]

Sources

Sir James Balfour Paul, Editor, 1908, The Scots Peerage, founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Published by David Douglas, Edinburgh, Scotland, Vol. 5 p. 1. Accessed February 13, 2015.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10925.htm#i109247
Cawley, Charles. "STEWART of LORN, (Robert Stewart)." Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: Medieval Lands, A Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families. Accessed February 13, 2015.
Watkins, Walter. The Ochterloney Family of Scotland, and Boston, in New England (Boston, 1902) Page 4

8/27/2020 at 1:18 AM

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stewart-1180 is there now, but I could swear that I saw James the father showing a son Robert by his wife, and another Robert with an un-named wife. Argh. My apologies. I suppose the qesyion remains whether there is one Robert who married both MAcDougall and Holkettle, or, if they are two different persons, who their parents were. I see no citations that would definitely clear this up.

12/13/2020 at 9:07 PM

He is my 18th GGF 💕

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