D. Aldonza Rodríguez - More on Her Real Parents

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Monday, November 16, 2020
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11/16/2020 at 4:27 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Fern%C3%A1ndez_de_Traba

"He also two daughters by his first wife: Urraca, who married Fruela Ramírez, and Aldonza, who married Lope Díaz I de Haro.[4]"

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11/16/2020 at 7:32 PM

Reading the footnote:

4. "Barton, 257, mentions only Urraca. Canal Sánchez-Pagín, 12–16, argues that Aldonza was as well."

Quoting your source:

Sometime before 1162 Lope married a lady named Aldonza (Endolza, Endulcia). Her patronymic is not recorded in primary document and her parentage has been much discussed. The earliest authority to name her father was Pedro de Barcelos in the fourteenth century, who called her Aldonza Ruiz de Castro, a daughter of Rodrigo Fernández de Castro and Elo Álvarez, although she is not mentioned among Rodrigo's children in the De rebus Hispaniae.[11] A century later Lope García de Salazar called his wife Mencía, a daughter of Arias. Luis de Salazar y Castro[12] believed that Lope had an earlier wife, name unknown, who bore him several sons, among them Lope López, who married María de Almenar. This thesis is based in part on the assumption that Lope Díaz was not the type to sire children outside of marriage. Most recently José María Canal Sánchez-Pagín has dissented from the view that Aldonza was a Castilian like her husband. She was widowed while her offspring were still young, and they rose to positions of importance in the León and Galicia, where they would have been considered foreigners if their mother was not a Leonese or Galician.

Considering Aldonza's longevity (she outlived her husband by about forty years, and was probably at least thirty years his junior), she must have been born around 1135. Jaime de Salazar y Acha, in his study of the Vela family, suggested that she was a daughter of Rodrigo Vélaz,[13] and Canal Sánchez-Pagín originally suggested that she was his granddaughter, a daughter of Álvaro Rodríguez.[14] In a document of 1182 recording a donation to San Prudencio de Monte Laturce that survives only in a Spanish translation by Gaspar Coronel, Aldonza calls herself a first cousin (consobrina) of Rodrigo Álvarez, son of Álvaro Rodríguez and Sancha Fernández de Traba.[15] It is most likely, then, that she was a daughter of Sancha's brother, Gonzalo Fernández de Traba. She is known to have had close relations with Gonzalo's other children, Gómez and Urraca. She was a daughter of Gonzalo by his first wife, Elvira, a daughter of Rodrigo Vélaz.

Besides his heir, Diego II, Lope Díaz had three sons—García, Lope, and Rodrigo—and eight daughters—Aldonza, Elvira, Estefanía, María, Mencía, Sancha, Toda, and Urraca, who married Ferdinand II of León as his final wife.[16] Lope died on 6 May 1170, a date confirmed by the Annales compostellani.[17] By June 1171, his widow had entered the convent at Cañas, where for over thirty years she acted as de facto abbess. She was still living in May 1207, when she made a donation to San Marcos de León.
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The argument hinges on this (assuming a lack of sources for her current Geni parentage, which I haven't looked at yet):

In a document of 1182 recording a donation to San Prudencio de Monte Laturce that survives only in a Spanish translation by Gaspar Coronel, Aldonza calls herself a first cousin (consobrina) of Rodrigo Álvarez, son of Álvaro Rodríguez and Sancha Fernández de Traba.

Footnote to this statement:

15. Canal Sánchez-Pagín, 13, argues for the reliability of Coronel's translation of the now-lost document originally composed in Latin by a French monk named Bernardo.

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11/16/2020 at 7:46 PM

Medlands specifically states that the second wife of Lope Diaz was Aldonza Rodriguez, daughter of Rodrigo Velaz and Urraca Alvarez.

And it's the source given here on her profile, so I don't understand why it's all mixed up.

https://media.geni.com/p13/b3/33/7d/f0/534448391d5235e9/vizcaya_ori...

11/16/2020 at 7:55 PM

Debra, I'm unable to view the photo on the link you sent. You're saying her parents were Rodrigo Velaz and Urraca Alvarez. The sources I read have her parents as Gonzalo Fernández de Traba and Elvira Rodrígue and a niece of the woman connected here on Geni as her mother. So that's 3 conflicting sets of parents. The only parents not documented in any way as her actual parents are the ones she's connected to. lol

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11/16/2020 at 8:03 PM

Sorry Debbie, but it enlarged for me when I clicked on it. Did you try doing that?

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11/16/2020 at 8:07 PM

The Medlands source is extremely obscure:

105: "Nobilario de Pedro Barcelos, Llorente (1808) Vol. 5, p.574

I was only able to find one volume in this series, but it seems to cover Portugal and I don't think it is the right one.

https://books.google.com/books?id=v4nwPbuf6e0C&printsec=frontco...

11/18/2020 at 10:10 AM

Of course I tried enlarging it. lol

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