Elizabeth Hall (Unknown) - Surname Wingfield?

Started by Keri Denise Jackson, ♊ Twin "A" on Thursday, December 17, 2020
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12/17/2020 at 12:51 AM

Private User sent me an email stating

My ancestry shows her maiden name to be Wingfield.1641-1675.

I am posting it here for a bigger audience to deliberate.

12/17/2020 at 3:57 AM

My Research is showing same thing. I have yet to here back from Winfield Family Society. https://wingfieldfamilysociety.org/ I feel we need to ask them see if they have her listed as wife.

Billie

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12/17/2020 at 4:09 AM

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Name: Elizabeth Wingfeild
Gender: Female
Spouse Name: Richard Hall
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Birth Place: EN
Spouse Birth Year: 1635
Marriage State: EN
Number Pages: 1

12/17/2020 at 4:31 AM

Keri,
The Maryland Historical Magazine has her listed as Elizabeth Wingfield I have put all these in profile I not sure why this not being changed.

https://books.google.com/books?id=fSgUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA292&lpg...

Billie

12/17/2020 at 4:36 AM

Keri,
The County History of Cecil Maryland also has the Elizabeth Wingfield. I sure this should be enough
To satisfy the requirements to have it listed as such.

https://books.google.com/books?id=nsxMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA481&lpg...

Billie

12/17/2020 at 4:39 AM

Hey Billie. :) We need to bring this to the attention of the curator
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12/17/2020 at 5:31 AM

Keri,
I tried and tried too. Look at profile there several references to surname listed. I don’t know what else can do. The Name not being changed. I thinking about getting a membership to Wingfield family Society see if they have anything to help us in this endeavor to settle matter.

Billie

12/17/2020 at 2:01 PM

I updated the surname to be "Wingfield?" The problem here is that she is often seen as Wingfield, as the links which Billie June Keaffaber provided show, but they have no records/primary sources to back up this name.

Private User RE: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900

I should warn you that this is an incredibly poorly named database. That collection is not based on actual marriage records, regardless of what its title implies. I have no idea what the folks over at Ancestry were doing when they named it Marriage Records. What it is in reality is mostly information taken from personal family trees in the 1980s and 1990s and compiled together. The information it contains is only as good as the tree or source on which it is based and the database gives no indication of where it gets information from. It is no more reliable than random internet family trees (although at least on internet family trees you can often see if they used any sources). In general it is not considered a reliable genealogical source and I would recommend completely avoiding it when doing research.

12/17/2020 at 2:08 PM

I'll paste here what I wrote about her surname in another discussion: https://www.geni.com/discussions/209433?msg=1372906

This is perfect, let us take a look at these sources.

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~paxson/southern/hall.html writes "Since his surviving children’s birth dates begin in 1663, the year he claimed head rights for himself and his wife Elizabeth (__), it seems likely that he either married Elizabeth in about 1662, or earlier children had already died."
Elizabeth's maiden name is purposefully left empty.

History of Cecil County, Maryland: And the Early Settlements... by George Johnston and http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?1360,571441 have the same text, but they write that: "The early history of this family, like that of many others, is involved in obscurity. There is reason, however, to believe that Richard Hall, from whom the distinguished family of that name in this county have descended, patented a large tract of land called "Mount Welcome," on the east side of the Susquehanna River, about a mile above the mouth of the Octoraro, in 1640. He is believed to have been a son of Bishop Joseph Hall, of England. The earliest authentic record extant shows that Elisha Hall and Sarah Winfell (or Wingfield) were married September 16th, 1688... But little is known of the history of Richard Hall and Elizabeth (Wingfield) Hall, except that they were the parents of one son, Elisha, who was born in 1663."

Note that the "earliest authentic extant record" that this researcher has access to is the 1688 marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth's son, Elisha to a Sarah Wingfield. This implies that the author has no earlier records for the family. The author also writes that it is believed that Thomas Hall is the son of Bishop Joseph Hall, but does not provide any evidence for this. The same goes for Elizabeth's maiden name, he says it is Wingfield but does not provide any sources for this either. The author seems to have very few, or perhaps even none, for Richard and Elizabeth (at least he does not have access to Richard's will, the text of which can be found here: https://books.google.com/books?id=fSgUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA292&amp......

Lastly, he claims that Richard and Elizabeth's daughter-in-law, Sarah Winfell (or Wingfield) "is believed to have been a granddaughter or niece of the Mr. Wingfield who was President of the Council of Virginia." This is incorrect. Sarah Wingfield was a widow when she married Elisha and the Wingfield name came from her prior husband, Jonas Wingfield. See https://books.google.com/books?id=fSgUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA292&amp...... These inaccuracies, in conjunction with the authors lack of sources, renders much of his narrative suspect for me. Perhaps Elizabeth's maiden name is just a confusion with her daughter-in-law's name?

The Maryland Historical Magazine has an excellently sourced section on the Hall Family of Calvery County (pg. 291) and only refers to Richard Hall's wife as Elizabeth, without mention of a maiden name. https://books.google.com/books?id=fSgUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA292&amp......

Sincerely,
Tamas

12/17/2020 at 2:35 PM

Tamas,
This has Refersnces listed such references include: These maybe great sources if looked up.

Papenfuse, Edward C. A Biographical dictionary of the Maryland legislature, 1635-1789. (Baltimore [Maryland]: Johns Hopkins University Press, c1979-1985) 426: 389, 745.

Kelly, J. Reaney. Quakers in the founding of Anne Arundel County, Maryland. (Baltimore [Maryland]: Maryland Historical Society, 1963) 40.

Kemp, AnnaBelle (AnnaBelle Cregar). Lucas genealogy. (Hollywood, California: A. Kemp, 1964 (Los Angeles : Bookman Press)) 94.

↑ Will Abstract of Richard Hall, in Cotton, Jane Baldwin; F. Edward (Frederick Edward) Wright; and Annie W. B. (Annie Walker Burns) Bell. The Maryland calendar of wills. (Baltimore [Maryland]: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1968). Vol 2, p 32 -

Butcher, Bernard Lee, and James Morton Callahan. Genealogical and personal history of the upper Monongahela Valley, West Virginia. (New York, New York: Lewis Historical Pub. Co., 1912) 3:1306.

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Richard_Hall_%2875%29

Billie

5/6/2023 at 10:06 AM

I just recently found this on her.

https://gw.geneanet.org/poetmom19?n=wingfield&oc=&p=elizabe.....

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/235092708/elizabeth-wingfield?_....

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
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Record details
Name Elizabeth Hall
Arrival Year 1658
Arrival Place Maryland
Primary Immigrant Hall, Richard
Family Members Wife Hall, Elizabeth
Source Publication Code 2524.55
Annotation Date and port of arrival. Extracted from Maryland Land Office records of patents and warrants. Reference to original record or transcript and microfilm number are also provided. Other historical and genealogical information may also be provided. The first
Source Bibliography GIBB, CARSON. A Supplement to The Early Settlers of Maryland. Annapolis, MD: Maryland State Archives, 1997. 248p.
Household members
Name Age
Richard Hall
Elizabeth Hall

5/6/2023 at 10:19 AM

Here some on the city I found

TICKENCOTE, a small village, with a large water mill,on the north side of the river wash. 3 miles N.W. of Stamford, and 9 miles. E. of
Oakham, has in its parish 104 inhabitants, and 1103 acres of land. John Muxloe Wingfeld, Esg, is lord of the manor and owner of al the
soil, except 3a. of glebe: and resides at the HalL, an ancient mansion, supposed to have been built in 1706 by Sir John Vanbrugh, but which has been much improved and modernised, and stands in the midst of a small park, which adjoins the village and the Great North Road, from which the house and lawn are seen to great advantage. The manor has been spolt Tichecote, Thickencot, &c., and was held by the Countess Judith, at the Norman survey, but came, about the time of Henry VIII.. to John Campynett, and soon after to a junior branch of the ancient family of Wingfield, long seated at Upton, in Northamptonshire. The Church (St. Peter is of very early origin, and was probably built by Robert Grimbald soon after the Conquest, but it was rebuilt in 1792, by Elizabeth Wingfield, who took care that the chancel should be preserved as much as possible, and that what was supplied should be copied from the old materials. It consists of nave, chancel, and north porch, and there are two bells placed in the latter. The chancel arch is one of the finest specimens of Norman work extant, and consists of five recessed divisions, covered with elaborately ornnmented mouldings. The ribs of the vaulted roof of the chancel are also very fine. There is an old arch in the south wall of the chancel, under which is part of an effigy of a man, in wood. There is a stained glass window at the east end of the
chancel is in many dead dolint danscharged rectory, malada. 9. 5. 0.
£6. bs. 8d., and now at £138.
The tithes were commuted in 1838, for
about £162 per annum.
J. M. Wingtield, Esq., is patron, and the Rev. G. Wingfield, M.A, who is also rector of Glatton, Huntingdonshire, where he resides, is the incumbent, for whom the Rev. F. Gretton, M.A., of Stamford, officiates. Post from Stamford at 8 morning, returning
at 6 evening. Croft John, butcher Lowe Edward, parish clerk
Russell Catherine, schoolmistress
Ward John, shoemaker
Wingfield John Musloe, Esq. Hall
FARMERS AND GRAZIERS. Bradford Andrew, Lodge
Millington Bryan, (and miller) Oswin William, Wild's Lodge
| Potter Thomas, (bailiff) The Warren

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