Adèle, comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube - FMG Medieval Lands citation does not support profile

Started by dale scott on Saturday, March 13, 2021
3/13/2021 at 2:17 PM

The profile for Aelis or Adèle de Bar-sur-Aube states she is the "Daughter of Nocher III, comte de Bar sur Aube and Adelais Alice de Bar-sur-Aube"
"Wife of Renaud de Semur-en-Brionnais; Renaud I, comte de Joigny; Roger I de Vignory, avoué de Vignory, and Raoul III "le Grand" de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens et du Vexin "

The About section of her profile states
" According to FMG Medieval Lands database:
as daughter of Nocher III:
AELIS (-11 Sep 1053). "

However, the FMG Medieval Lands database does not state she is the daughter of Nocher III and Adelais Alice de Bar-sur-Aube.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm#NocherIBarAubedied... It states she is the daughter of Nocher II, son of Nocher I, and her mother is unknown.

NOCHER [II], son of NOCHER [I] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube & his wife Adelisa --- (-[1019/40]).
m ---. The name of Nocher’s wife is not known.

Nocher [II] & his wife had two children:
1. AELIS ([1020/25]-11 Sep 1053). ... m firstly (1040) RENAUD de Semur-en-Brionnais, son of GEOFFROY I Seigneur de Semur & his first wife --- de Brioude. m secondly ([1040/42], separated) RENARD Comte de Joigny, son of GEOFFROY de Joigny & his wife Alix de Sens. m thirdly ([1041/43], separated) as his second wife, ROGER [I] avoué de Vignory, son of GUY [I] de Vignory & his wife --- (-before 1057). m fourthly ([1041/45]) as his first wife, RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, du Vexin, d'Amiens et de Vitry, son of RAOUL [II] Comte de Valois & his wife [--- de Breteuil] (-Péronne 23 Feb or 8 Sep 1074, bur Montdidier, later transferred to Crépy-en-Valois, église collégiale Saint-Arnoul). The county of Bar-sur-Aube was transmitted to the children of Aelis’s fourth marriage.

However,
http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin.pdf states she is the dau of Nocher III.
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_IV_de_Vexin states Raoul IV of Vexin or Raoul III de Valois, married Adèle (Aelis) of Bar-sur-Aube, daughter and heiress of Nocher III
http://www.histoireeurope.fr/RechercheLocution.php?Locutions=Raoul+... states Raoul III de Valois married Adèle de Bar-sur-Aube, daughter of Nocher III
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141446&tr... states Aelis, Comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube was daughter of Nocher III, Comte de Bar-sur-Aube et de Soissons and unknown. Cites Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.).
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So, who are her parents? Is it Nocher III and Adelais Alice de Bar-sur-Aube as in her profile, or is it Nocher II and unknown as Medlands states?

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