Mitchell and Dawn Siegel DNA Connections

In order, starting 10/17/2021

In https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513177
Mitchell states "I'm Crypto Jews. https://swja.library.arizona.edu/content/crypto-jews "

Not sure what this is referring to, but maybe this topic: https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513199. Mitchell:
"Jacob and Mary Siegel LIED!!!!"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513205
Mitchell: "My wife's birth certificate was FRAUD in Cook County, Illinois (my wife is related to Jacobson) from Arthur Harold Ferrin in Arizona, Chicago and Denmark."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513206
Mitchell: "We found my wife's bio father in 2018."

>>now 10/18/2021

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513431
Mitchell: Martha Ferrin-Fernandez I did not see your mtDNA and YDNA on Ferrin family autosomal DNA matches. Are you parent of Ferrin via GedMatch?

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513432
Mitchell: A link to a Profile for "Infant Daughter Jacobson"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513433
Mitchell: "James Jacobson I am related to James Jacobson."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513437
Mitchell: "Martha Ferrin,

My wife and I did not see your mtDNA and YDNA on your AncestryDNA and Geni, GedMatch.

Please check out via GedMatch. Are you parents of Arthur Harold Ferrin?"

Then it switches to posts from Dawn (or Mitchell as Dawn, per https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513483 ?) still 10/18/2021

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513482
Dawn: "You are not blood relative of your bloom. My great aunt was Clara Ferrin Bloom. Martha did tell you about Ferrin's DNA match. This does not make sense."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513488
Dawn: "You are related to my husband's blue blood relatives with two DNA matches Samuel Bloom"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513493
Dawn: "Martha Ferrin-Fernandez is my husband's great uncle's wife's great niece.

ME
→ Mitchell K Siegel
your husband → Herbert Siegel
his father → Mary Siegel
his mother → David Walter Bloom
her brother → Clara F Bloom
his wife → Arthur Harold Ferrin
her brother → Harold Clayton Ferrin
his son → Martha Ferrin-Fernandez
his daughter"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513495
Dawn: "I did not believe Martha's parents. Maybe, Arthur Harold Ferrin Lied......

Please check out via GedMatch Are you parents?????"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513569
Dawn: "Yes, I hope you would take your mtDNA for Ferrin on FTDNA. My husband is not related to YDNA Ferrin lineage. You hurt my husband for seek his YDNA lineage for 4 years.

Best,
Dawn."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513570
Dawn: "There are 3 missing children for my mother's mtDNA."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513573
Dawn: "My husband and I am related to Jacobson in Arizona, Chicago and Denmark. My birth certificate was FRAUD."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513574
Dawn: "I am looking for my bio mother."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513588
Dawn: "I am so happy to find my bio father in 2018. He told me about my mother in California because my father was Navy sailor in CA."

>>in my time zone, we are now 10/19/2021

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513668
Dawn: "Martha,

I believe Martha does not understand about her mtDNA .

Currently, Della "Jenny" Ferrin has no DNA test results on Geni and there are no relatives with DNA test results that can be propagated to her profile."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513670
Dawn: "Martha, This does not make sense. There were 3 children dead in 1911-1911. Cora was 11 years old. We will going to Safford, AZ this Wednesday.

Cora Marie Ferrin (Jacobson)
Gender: Female
Birth: March 27, 1900
Safford, Graham, Arizona Territory, United States, Safford, Graham, Arizona, United States
Death: August 26, 1921 (21)
San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States, San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513671
Dawn: "My father told me about he had an affair with Denmark or Sweden mom in California"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513678
Dawn: "Are Your Parents Related?
Since you inherit half of your DNA from each of your parents, it stands to reason that large blocks of SNPs where both alleles are the same would be an indication that your parents each inherited that block from the same ancestor. These are called 'Runs of Homozygosity' (ROH). There are other utilities available that look for ROH for other purposes, but this analysis is specifically aimed at determining how closely related your parents might be."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513688
DNA topic?? - Dawn: "I am not acceptable with Martha's reputation of my husband."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513695
Dawn: "James Henry Rollins is my 7th cousin four times removed.

James Henry Rollins is my husband's great uncle's wife's brother's wife's sister's husband's sister's husband's grandfather. (Ferrin)"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513702
Dawn: "I am related to Rosenberg relatives."

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513712
Dawn: "Ira Anthon Jacobson Chugg is my husband's great uncle's wife's brother's wife's first cousin.

ME
→ Mitchell K Siegel - Blue Bloodkin
your husband → Herbert Siegel - Blue bloodkin
his father → Mary Siegel - Blue bloodkin
his mother → David Walter Bloom. BloodKin
her brother → Clara F Bloom ---------------------------------- mtDNA????????????????
his wife → Arthur Harold Ferrin ------------- YDNA & mtDNA????????????????????
her brother → Cora Marie Ferrin ----------- mtDNA??????? (DNA matches Mike G from Denmark
his wife → Anthon Ephriam Jacobson DNA matches Mike G. from Denmark 3rd cousin once removed
her father → Sarah Ann Chugg
his sister → Ira Anthon Jacobson Chugg
her son"

continuing 10/19/2021 after night's sleep

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513789
Dawn: "Alexander Alma Allen is my 13th cousin once remove - Blue blood relatives.

Alexander Alma Allen is my husband's great uncle's wife's brother's wife's first cousin once removed's husband's great aunt's husband.
ME
→ Mitchell K Siegel
your husband → Herbert Siegel
his father → Mary Siegel
his mother → David Walter Bloom
her brother → Clara F Bloom ---------------------------------- RED. no mtDNA
his wife → Arthur Harold Ferrin ------------------------------- RED. no mtDNA and no YDNA
her brother → Cora Marie Ferrin ----------------------------- GREEN
his wife → Anthon Ephriam Jacobson ---------------------- GREEN
her father → Eliza Christiana Dunford ---------------------- GREEN
his sister → Karma Weston ----------------------------------- GREEN
her daughter → Venice Weston ----------------------------- GREEN
her daughter → Vernon Worley Carlson
her husband → Catherine Carlson
his mother → Joseph Enos Cowley
her father → Maria Elinor Allen
his sister → Alexander Alma Allen
her husband"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513801
Dawn: "I have 41,800 ancestors in Blue Blood Relatives. Martha did not upload into Geni from Ancestry or FTDNA.

Martha Ferrin-Fernandez is my husband's great uncle's wife's great niece.

ME
→ Mitchell K Siegel
your husband → Herbert Siegel
his father → Mary Siegel
his mother → David Walter Bloom
her brother → Clara F Bloom
his wife → Arthur Harold Ferrin
her brother → Harold Clayton Ferrin
his son → Martha Ferrin-Fernandez
his daughter"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513805
Dawn: "There were 3 missing children. My husband found out that Chicago attorneys worked the adoption children PLUS Birth certificate FRAUD. My husband and I went to Cook County for get my birth certificate for passport in 1985. I found my bio father in 2018. I did not trust any documents."

Private User and Dawn Siegel
Please feel free to continue your discussion and analysis of your DNA connections here.

mitchell Siegel
This is you
From: USA
Martha Fernandez
Age: 60's
From: USA
Appears in a family tree with 528 people that she managesview tree

Contact
Estimated relationships
3rd cousin - distant cousin?
DNA Match quality?
0.3% (19.7‎ cM)
Shared DNA
2
Shared segments
12.4‎ cM
Largest segm

Between above and my posting link in that discussion to this one:

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513821
Mitchell: "Martha Fernandez and ME share the following 1,465 DNA Matches
Estimated relationship to you
Shared match
Estimated relationship to Martha Fernandez
2nd cousin - 2nd cousin once removed
1.9% (136.6‎ cM)
0.5% (34.1‎ cM)
Debbie Mitman (born Friedman)
3rd - 5th cousin"

https://www.geni.com/discussions/239212?msg=1513822
Mitchell: "Please help Martha about GedMatch"

Lois,

Please help Martha about GedMatch and her MyHeritage. I have a hard time with her. She did not understand how to work with DNA autosomal DNA matches.

Martha Ferrin-Fernandez

How to upload into Geni from MyHeritage Martha?

Private User --
You seem to think an inlaw path tells one something about how one is connected by DNA. It does not.

The way you post information, I usually cannot follow.
You said
"Estimated relationship to Martha Fernandez
2nd cousin - 2nd cousin once removed
1.9% (136.6‎ cM)
0.5% (34.1‎ cM)
Debbie Mitman (born Friedman)
3rd - 5th cousin"

WHICH is your shared cM with Martha, and at which site?

I am surprise that Arthur Harold Ferrin was not full Jewish.

EUROPE
Ashkenazi Jewish
92.8%. ---------------- ME
25.2% ----------------- Martha

WHICH is your shared cM with Martha, and at which site? MyHeritage

Debbie Mitman is related to Siegel with ME and Martha

Arthur Harold Ferrin's parents *were* both fully Ashkenazi Jewish.

Arthur married Della "Jenny" Owens, who was not Jewish, so Harold Clayton Ferrin had 1 Ashkenazi Jewish parent and one not.

Harold Clayton Ferrin married Marian Jean Johnson, who wasn't Jewish, and that's how Martha's DNA works out to ~25% Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.

ME -2nd - 5th cousin
1.0% (67.2‎ cM)

Martha 3rd - 5th cousin
1.0% (72.9‎ cM)

Martha and I are related to Lubov Goldman (born Sztajn)

Mitchell - am I understanding correctly -
at MyHeritage it shows
Estimated relationship of you, Mitchell, to Martha Fernandez as
2nd cousin - 2nd cousin once removed with you two sharing. 1.9% (136.6‎ cM)
***Please confirm if yes, and also give the longest segment

***Please also list what you are thinking your ancestry might be that includes a Ferrin.

Per Geni currently
Martha
is daughter of Harold Ferrin
Is son of Arthur Ferrin
Is son of Joseph Ferrin

I knew my bio grandfather was David Walter Bloom.

Martha's grandaunt was Clara Ferrin Bloom

My wife and I are related to Jacobson - Owens Plus Cora Maria Ferrin - 3 missing children

ME and Martha
Estimated relationships
3rd cousin - distant cousin?
DNA Match quality?
0.3% (19.7‎ cM)
Shared DNA
2
Shared segments
12.4‎ cM
Largest segment

Private User - David Walter Bloom does not show a Ferrin ancestor.

Rephrasing info above:

Mitchell K Siegel
to his father Herbert Siegel
to his mother → Mary Siegel
to her brother → David Walter Bloom
to his WIFE → Clara F Bloom -- -- -- -- -- THE DNA CONNECTION IS NOW BROKEN
to her brother → Arthur Harold Ferrin
to his son → Harold Clayton Ferrin
to his daughter → Martha Ferrin-Fernandez

This does not show any DNA Connection between you and Martha.
You have not found where your shared DNA with Martha comes from.

Sorry, ignore "->" -should have been deleted after rephrasing

Right, my bio grandfather David Walter Bloom had other affair.

Mitchell, if you and Martha only share 19.7‎ cM with longest segment 12.4‎ cM
Then in all likelihood your common ancestor is lost back in the mists of time.
And an inlaw path is absolutely not going to help you find anything about your bio connection to her.

Do you know my bio grandmother?

You can figure out DNA analysis?

Stop using my surname Siegel.

I am waiting for your answer about my bio grandmother.

My wife are not related to Martha but she is related to Cora Maria Ferrin - (Connected to Jacobson)