Herman IV, duke of Swabia - Children ?

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According to Wikipedia, Herman and Adelaide had no children ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_IV,_Duke_of_Swabia

Because of a late Austrian source, Herman is sometimes mistakenly said to have had children.[5] This was not the case. Herman was on campaign for much of his short marriage to Adelaide and he died without heirs.[6]

"Berengar's grandfather was Gebhard I, Count of Sulzbach (died 1071), who married the daughter of Count Berengar I of Sulzbach. Gebhard I may have been the son of Herman IV, Duke of Swabia (died 28 July 1038), but this is not certain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengar_II_of_Sulzbach

"[RICHWARA (-before 1056). According to Wegener, Richwara wife of Berthold [I] [von Zähringen] was the daughter of Hermann IV Duke of Swabia[221]. However, this seems unlikely from a chronological point of view. Richwara gave birth to five children, presumably between [1045/55], so is unlikely to have been born later than 1030, when her supposed father was only 15 years old and her supposed mother about 10. m as his first wife, BERTHOLD I von Zähringen, son of BEZZELIN von Villingen & his wife [Luitgard ---] (-Limburg 5/6 Nov 1078, bur Hirsau). Duke of Carinthia 1061. Marchese di Verona 1066.]" https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#_Toc359919998

"...the title could certainly apply to Hermann I von Kastl: he is very likely the son of Duke Hermann IV of Schwabia and Adelheid of Susa and thus a grandson of Duke Ernst I."

(der titel konnte durchaus auf hermann i von kastl zutreffen: Er ist mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit der sohn herzog hermanns iv von schwabeb u. der Adelheid von Susa und damit ein Enkel von Herzog Ernst I.) [Footnote #4 beginning on bottom of p. 635] https://www.google.com/books/edition/ZBLG_2019_Band_82_Heft_3/WiwyE...

Berengar im bayerischen Nordgau

This 'son' seems problematic to me in that both his son and brother share the same name/title (Gebhard I von/count of Sulzbach), unless I'm mistaken. There seems to be conflicting facts in regard to their family kinship connections.

Gebhard I von Sulzbach

Gebhard I, count of Sulzbach

Berengar's grandfather was Gebhard I, Count of Sulzbach (died 1071), who married the daughter of Count Berengar I of Sulzbach. Gebhard I may have been the son of Herman IV, Duke of Swabia (died 28 July 1038), but this is not certain.[1] Gebhard I was father of Gebhard II.[citation needed] Berengar was the son of Count Gebhard II of Sulzbach (died 1085) and Irmgard of Rott (died 14 June 1101).[2] His sister Adelaide may have married Count Siboto II of Weyarn-Falkenstein, who was later the advocate of Baumburg Abbey.[3] The Weyarns at first supported Henry IV in his conflict with Pope Gregory VII during the Investiture Controversy. Later Siboto II was associated with the pro-papal side that included the Sulzbachs.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengar_II_of_Sulzbach

And I'm fairly certain that Richardis is a female name. I doubt any sons of this time frame would have been named Richardis.

Richardis Luitpold

A century earlier there was a Richardis who was the wife or mistress of Luitpold/Leopold von Babenberg, but that's about it as far as I know.

Herman IV, duke of Swabia is my 24th great grandfather.
Richardis Luitpold is my 24th great aunt.
Gebhard I von Sulzbach is my 24th great uncle.
Gebhard I, count of Sulzbach is my 24th great grandfather.
Mathilde von Wels-Lambach, Gräfin von Passau und von Cham is my 23rd great grandmother.

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Hermann IV Duke of Swabia

Debra, thanks for checking on all tohse. Like you, I've never seen Richardis as anything other than a female name.

I think a curator needs to go through these connections since he's reported not to have had any children.

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