https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/_bie001200401_01/_bie001200401_01_0033.php
In Dutch but if you use chrome it will translate
Ernest Warlop’s work was originally his PhD thesis in 1965. From that the original Dutch version was printed in 1968 titled De Vlaamse Adel Voor 1300. It was seen as a milestone in Dutch genealogy so reprinted in 1975 in 4 volumes in English. The English had as additive information images of the know seals of the families covered in the book. I own a set of this and see that Warlop covers 236 “Nobel” dutch families. Being seen as Nobel was an important “title” recognized before 1300 and whether or not it was carried forward to todays list of Nobel Belgium families.
Prof. Dr. Paul Trio says “ In our research we generally start from Ernest Warlop's study, at present still the most solid and historically well-founded study on the early Flemish nobility in general, and thus also on the vGvL family in particular.”
In 2011 a succeeding book titled Repertorium van de Vlaamse adel (ca. 1350 - ca. 1500) by Frederik Buylaert was printed. (https://research.flw.ugent.be/en/frederik.buylaert)
Both of these books base their information on primary documents, but are effectively just that, the persons cited are not given a personality so further study is required to develop that. You may also note that there is a gap in the books from 1300 to 1350. It is this area where there is much academic consternation and many many additional studies. It is also in this exact time period where significant changes effected both Flemish history and the family Gavere as important players in that history.
The specific text above is transcribed directly from the book without edit to maintain accuracy. It will if there are doubts require a first hand review of Mr. Warlops list of abbreviations. As well one will have to read in volume 1 to understand the usage of terms such as “Procer”, “Optimas”, etc. There is also a very well developed discussion of terms like the butler of Flanders, the Stewart of Flanders, the chamberlain of Flanders and their differences which are not always understood.
For example, there are statements that the Raase van Gavere are hereditary butlers of Flanders, which is true ONLY after 1127, yet we find all over the internet including Geni the older Raase being titled as such. They were not!
Regarding the question marks… Mr. Warlop is asking the same questions we have. Above, the marriage to Catherine de Cysoing is cited in the work of count Guy de Liedekerke, but nothing earlier. Many of the studies I see make this connection, but without proof. I posted a discussion on this point because Geni has her existing and connected in all directions (I detached her from the parents) but cites no sources at all, she appears to be one of these undefined GEDCOM imports from 2008. Cawley is silent on this person, understandably, and I specifically say:
“Cited en 1087-1096 per d’Ursel
There is little to no information as to who this person is other than a preponderance of secondary evidence that she was married to Rasse I van Gavre.
See the discussion...” (in which I lay out questions and possible solutions).
A single citation by count Baudouin d’Ursel is weak but enough I believe to keep her as shown and hopefully trigger someone’s interest into further research. The dates cited by count d’Ursel are very significant, but it is very rare that I ever get responses to the discussion.
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