Te Rangituaiwa - Te Rangituaiwa

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I am confused, I can't see a son named Piripi Waaka?

That being said the children I do see have a birth range between 1835 & 1851 which suggests her birth c 1815? I don't know where the oddly specific estimate of 1605 to 1605 is coming from but I will manually over-ride it and see what affect that has on nearby profiles.

Her grandfather Rākaitekura, IV was born 1670 which would make her birth much earlier than 1815

Her 4th great grandfather
Pito was born 1750 which would make her birth date much later than 1815

I think that somewhere in the tree the wrong people have been connected.

All the ancestors need to be critically looked at, sources added and dates added.

The whakapapa from kupe for Ngāi Tūmapūhia is as follows:
Kupe
Haunui
Popoto
Hau
Kouehangai
Tamangenge
Kauwhataroa
Tuwairau
Rakaitekura
Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi
The whakapapa of Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi from Tamateaurehaea is:
Tamateaurehaea |
Ranginui
Whakamaru
Kohuipu
Hinengatiira
Te Ikaraeroa
Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi
The whakapapa of Pouhokio is:
Tumapuhia-a-Rangi
Rongomaiaia
Waereaiterangi
Tauhei
Tukuwaru
Tahito
Pouhokio (escaped after capture at Ngaumu during musket wars)
The whakapapa of Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi through his mother’s side of Ngai Tara, Rangitane and Ngati Kahungunu descent is:
Whatonga
Tara
Wakanui
Turia
Ngataierua
Tukoroua
Tokamarere |
Humarie
Tataiaho
Tuwairau
Rakaitekura
Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi
The Ngati Kahungunu whakapapa of Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi through his mother Rakaitekura is:
Rongokako
Tamatea
Kahungunu
Kahukuranui
Rakaihikuroa
Hineteraraku
Rangimatakoha
Rakaimoari
Tokamarere
Humarie
Tataiaho
Tuwairau
Rakaitekura
Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi

any dates should be deleted as they are made up

Sorry lost me completely as none of those names match up with the tree I am looking at.

Does that match with what is currently on Geni?

This might be a problem profile Te Rangituaiwa

on 14/3/2021 the name was changed from Kehurangi Ringatu Tamakiruhau to Te Rangituaiwa

After the change it was merged

those lines all converge on Tūmapūhia-ā-Rangi who is the son of Rākaitekura, IV you linked above

I reported the issue to Geni and received this response.

Oddly-specific estimated birth dates are usually the result of someone nearby having a negative age (death date before birth date).

They suggested checking these specific profiles:

https://www.geni.com/inconsistencies/for_profile/6000000091675554016
https://www.geni.com/inconsistencies/for_profile/6000000184341978842
https://www.geni.com/profile/fix_own_ancestor/6000000092711018862
https://www.geni.com/inconsistencies/for_profile/6000000058025462912
https://www.geni.com/inconsistencies/for_profile/6000000001570297875

Jason Scott Wills if a well intentioned pakeha with absolutely no knowledge of Maori genealogy wanted to help on Geni is there somewhere you could point him?

The Journal of the Polynesian Society

has mountains of information and charts e.g

Matching the pedigree above are these Geni profiles Rangitihi (born c1450??) thru Te Tauhu O Kawatapuarangi Kingi (born c1875)

There is only one other profile in this chain with a DOB which is Te Hokokai (c1809 with no explanation/evidence).

The DOB of Te Tauhu Kingi seems to be reasonably reliable given it's alignment with his siblings and children in the modern era with available sources.

Using 1875 as a pin there's an issue with the c1450 date for Rangitihi , typically I would use a generation spacing of 30 years when no other data is available:

This suggests either there are several generations missing or the DOB of Rangitihi is off by more than a century.
The About of Rangitihi states "Circa 1500, the senior Arawa Chief Rangitihi..." and assuming for a moment that this is a defensible statement then the implication is missing generations.

... because a generation span averaging 38.6 years is too large.

DOB is wrong, all dates before the 1800s are meaningless. Old chiefs took teenage wives etc

Yes understood.
So 30 years average is likely too high, using 25 years would suggest a DOB for Rangitihi of c 1550 but that doesn't gel with the statement in his About:

Circa 1500, the senior Arawa Chief Rangitihi, his three wives and family, (apart from his eldest son Rangiaohia) were living inland at their pa (fortress)Rangiwhakapua located beside the Ohau Channel between Lake Rotoiti and lake Rotorua, having moved there from the Pakotore pa on the banks of the Kaituna River where his children had grown up.

Given that it states by c1500 he is senior chief with 3 wives and his children are all grown, which clearly wouldn't be possible if he was born c1550

So where does the About statement come from? The way the About currently presents it implies it is quoting Paul Tapsell but I think this is a result of merging or bad formatting as the later paragraphs are copied from https://teara.govt.nz/en/whakapapa/1522/rangitihis-children?

After searching for a while I found this page which is the only other place this text seems to occur on the internet https://www.nbccomedyplayground.com/where-did-the-te-arawa-waka-com... however this is some kind of compilation website not any kind of original text so cannot be the original source. Interestingly search for other text on this page leads to this site https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-arawa which again references Paul/Paora Tapsell and seems to have been actual written by Paul.

It is possible the "1500" text is from an earlier version of that site per Story by Paora Tapsell, published 8 Feb 2005, updated 1 Mar 2017 which might indicate the 1500 was copied from the 2005 version but the author has thought better of it in 2017?

Either way I am going to remove the 1500 text from the profile as unsourced and mathematically impossible (assuming there is no missing generations). Paul/Paora Tapsell seems to be the authority on the subject so i'll follow his lead based on text on the teara.govt.nz site

If I am understanding this http://hinewaka.com/index.php?lang=english&section=whakapapa1 then the mother of Te Rangituaiwa should be Te Wharekotore

With the top of the list being Rongokāko , there's only one break where Te Angiangi has been set to different parents than shown.

None of which helps with the OP.

I did find a Piripi Waaka (c1845 - 1921) https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10972-423036/piripi-waak... in the New Zealand Death Index of 1921.

DOB 1845 would slot into the children of Te Rangituaiwa

Alternatively there's this guy https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-513951981-1-141343/pir...

Piripi Waaka
Birth Circa 1844 Okautete, New Zealand
Death Oct 19 1920

All a bit of a guessing game really at this point.

Can you look at the revisions for Te Rangituaiwa

On the 14 March 2021 the profile was changed from
Kehurangi Ringatu Tamakiruhau died 1813 to Te Rangituaiwa born 1815

Seems a strange change

Private User i saw your earlier post and agree it's strange but I'm not familiar enough to form an opinion.

But I note that in my last post Piripi Waaka (1844-1920) https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-513951981-1-141343/pir... has parents listed as Te- Waaka and Ringatu, my understanding is that Waaka is a family name and i think Ringatu is also so Piripi Waaka (1844-1920) son of N.N. Ringatu could be the person mentioned in the OP.

I also note that during the merge May 16 2021 both profiles are connected to the same husband, so one possibility is that two wives have been conflated?

After a lot of hit and miss I've noticed that Piripi Tarawa Waaka has "Piripi" in his middle name field. He is also married to Private which aligns with the online trees that i found yesterday that list Piripi Waaka as father of John Walker.
I don't know if walker is a direct translation of "waaka" or just alliteration but either way I think it solves the mystery of who the OP was talking about. So that's a win.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/memories/G8M2-QCH reverses the name order, making Piripi more obvious, and confirms parentage and birth & death dates. It also adds a photo but contains no evidence/sources/references at all :(