Nibelung II - Father of Nibelung II de Perracy

Started by Timothy Wayne Buckman on Tuesday, February 28, 2023
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The Father of Nibelung II de Perracy on here is noted as Childebrand III, but on may other sites it is noted as Nibelung I, with Childebrand II noted as the son of Nibelung II de Perracy. I am new to doing this research, so that any references, documuments, and help regarding this issue will be greatly appreciated.
My research shows that I am a direct ancestor of Nibelung II de Perracy and that far back I only include direct ancestors in my family tree and I want to be as accurate as I can.
Thanks,
Tim
You
→ Jesse Landon Buckman
your father → Vaun Burnell Buckman
his father → James Marion Buckman
his father → Mary (Polly) Utley
his mother → Sarah (Salley) Vanarsdalen
her mother → Mary Polly Brewer
her mother → John Brouwer
her father → Leah Jansen van Westervelt
his mother → Jean Desmarets
her father → David Jean Des Marets, Sr.
his father → Jean Desmarets
his father → Lt François Jacques Des Marets
his father → Jacques Jacobszoon Des Marets, Jr.
his father → Jacques Des Marets, Sr.
his father → Jean des Marets, XIII
his father → Reginald Des Marets, Doctor Of Laws
his father → Hugo Marets, 10th Lord Des Marets
his father → Baldwin Marets, VIII, 9th Lord Des Marets
his father → Baldwin Marets, VII, 8th Lord Des Marets
his father → Baldwin VI Marets, 7th Lord Des Marets
his father → William Des Marets, VII
his father → Baudouin des Marets, V
his father → Lord Baldwin Des Marets, IV
his father → Baldwin Des Marets, III
his father → Baldwin II des Marets
his father → Baldwin des Marets, I
his father → Eulalie Gansemond
his mother → Guérmond, comte de Picquigny
her father → Fulk II, Bishop of Amiens
his father → Count of Vexin et d'Amiens Gautier II "le Blanc" de Mantes, comte d'Amiens et du Vexin, de Valois, de Mantes
his father → Gautier I, comte du Vexin
his father → Raoul 1er de Laon, comte de Laon et de Senlis, comte de Vexin, Amiens et Valois
his father → Gauthier, comte de Laon
his father → daughter of Count Nibelung IV?
his mother → Nibelung IV, comte du Vexin (864 - after 879)
her father → Nibelung III, comte de Bourgogne
his father → Nibelung II
his father

This is not an easy question to answer. MedLands lists the descendants of Nibelung I without specifying who is whose son (there is very little documentation this far back). https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#NIbelungdi...

Nibelung II is your 32nd great uncle.
You
→ Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe)
your mother → Jahn Grahpe
her father → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch
his father → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff
his mother → Helene Gertrude von Krüdener
her mother → Gustav Georg von Völckersahm
her father → Sophia Elisabeth von Mengden
his mother → Freiherr Magnus Gustav von Mengden, auf Altenwoga
her father → Freiherr Gustav von Mengden, auf Altenwoda
his father → Gertrud von Mengden Frfr. von Altenwoga
his mother → Jürgen von Rosen
her father → Kersten von Rosen
his father → Kersten III von Rosen auf Hochenrosen
his father → Jürgen l von Rosen
his father → N.N. von Tiesenhausen
his mother → Bartholomeus von Tiesenhausen, of Kokenhausen
her father → Johann von Tiesenhausen
his father → Princess Sofia von Hoya, a Princess of Polotsk and Countess of Hoya
his mother → Bernardus von Hoya
her father → Graf von Hoya Heinrich von Stumpenhusen
his father → Christine von Oldenburg
his mother → Salome van Gelre-Zutphen
her mother → Gerhard II, count of Guelders
her father → Clémence d'Aquitaine
his mother → Pierre Guillaume 'l'Aigret' ou 'le Hardi' d'Aquitaine, VII Duc d'Aquitaine, V Comte de Poitou
her father → Agnes of Burgundy
his mother → Otto Guillaume I, comte de Bourgogne et de Mâcon
her father → Gerberga, Countess of Macon
his mother → Lambert d'Autun De Dijon, Comte de Chalon
her father → Robert Vicomte d'Autun
his father → Garnier of Sens, count of Troyes
his father → Richard de Chaunois, comte de Troyes
his father → Thierry I "the Chamberlain", count of Autun
his father → Nibelung II
his brother

Nibelung II is your fourth great aunt's half sister's husband's third great uncle's wife's 14th great grandmother's partner's 8th great grandfather's wife's second great grandfather.

Marja-Liisa Wallin,
I am not sure where you got that information but according to my research and what is shown here on Geni,

Ingrīda Cinkmane (Dzelvīte),
Yes by way of Thierry I "the Chamberlain", count of Autun, Nibelung II is my 32nd great uncle. But by way of Nibelung III, comte de Bourgogne, Thierry's brother, Nibelung II is my 35th great-grandfather.

Maven B. Helms,
I have reviewed the document in your link and it very much appears to show that based on birthdates, the inset of the list of decendents of Nibelung I and this statement; "NIBELUNG [I], illegitimate son of CHILDEBRAND [I] & his mistress" does indeed show that that Geni profile is incorrect and the others that show Nibelung II's father IS Nibelung I, NOT Childebrand III.

Yo Curators - does this profile need a correction as to parentage?

Yo Maven,

Looks like a disaster zone.
There's two Nibelung II showing as brothers currently, one born c755 the other c815. That's just crazy, with those dates even a father son relationship is unlikely.

The Nibelung II that this profile started from does seem to be Nibelung II so his father should indeed be Nibelung I.

But that Nibelung II is showing on Geni as father of Nibelung III, which guessing from his dates is the same Nibelung III on Medlands who is a younger son of Nibelung I allegedly.

The Geni brother of "our" Nibelung II also named Nibelung II looks from his dates to the Nibelung IV identified by Medlands.

Curator tools would probably help but a clever user could do it without them.

Yikes....

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