Beethoven’s genome was sequenced

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https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/03/beethovens-genome-sequenced...

Beethoven’s genome, sequenced for first time, yields clues on cause of death
Composer had genetic predisposition to liver disease and hepatitis B infection.

Finally, sequencing DNA inevitably brings a few surprises—in this case, evidence that someone in Beethoven's paternal line had an extramarital affair that resulted in offspring. This finding is based on an analysis of DNA from Beethoven's modern relatives carrying the same name and recorded in genealogical records. Beethoven's Y chromosome doesn't match any of them. The authors think the affair likely occurred sometime between the conception of Hendrik van Beethoven around 1572 and when Ludwig was conceived seven generations later in 1770.

In fact, "You cannot rule out that Beethoven himself may have been illegitimate," Begg said during a press conference. "I'm not advocating that; I'm simply saying it's a possibility."

Krause added, "It could also be anywhere in the seven generations before."

DOI: Current Biology, 2023. 10.1016/j.cub.2023.02.041 (About DOIs).

Well, I'm no longer related AT ALL to him, hopes my liver survives me.

Save your hair!

I've saved my dads, is it enough?

To write and compose this "Symfoni nr 9 (Beethoven)" https://youtu.be/t3217H8JppI
and being nearly or complete deaf, it takes a genius!

I don’t think we’ll understand his genius from his genome, though. As ineffable as his music.

How is it possible to be genetical predisposed of catching a viral disease like Hep. B? The health practioner in me doesn't trust this statement.

His face was scarred from smallpox he had contracted as a child. He had a deep cleft on his chin, and a dark complexion.

http://www.midiworld.com/beethoven1.htm

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven

He may be genetical predisposed of getting a liver disease like cirrhosis and drinking alkohol wouldn't help. But this does not predispose him of getting a Hepatitis A, B, C or any other letter seldom catched, since you need to be infected by the virus to get a Hepatitis disease. But it could be easier to catch a Hep. viral disease with an already sick liver. So sorry, Erica Howton I don't believe in the article's statement of Beethoven being genetically predisposed of getting a Hep. B infection. The headline in the article is wrong.

The headline left out an “also.” In the body copy, it’s clearer:

Nearly two centuries after the composer's demise, scientists say they have sequenced his genome based on preserved locks of hair. While the analysis of that genome failed to pinpoint a definitive cause of Beethoven's hearing loss or chronic digestive problems, he did have numerous risk factors for liver disease and was infected with hepatitis B, according to a new paper published in the journal Current Biology. …

Here’s the original paper:

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(23)00181-1

They phrase as: “ Beethoven had a predisposition for liver disease and became infected with hepatitis B”

Shared ancestor 900 CE

I-FT396000

Ludwig van Beethoen (1770-1827) You, Ulf Martinsson.

Ok with DNA, but where is the path? Maybe, too many cuts?

Ulf, or maybe lack of sources back to 900.

Remi Trygve Pedersen yrs, 500 years is gone, but unfortunately. many profiles have been cut off the tree in the medieval period, late 5th to the late 15th centuries, and also unluckily we have experts that can be caterogized in 3 types,

1. The ones who belives in the connections.
2. the ones that disbelieves.
3. The ones that not takes either side.

In Geni, number 2 rules, it does not matter how many of the supporters for an idea is, if 99% support the number 1, and only 1% support 2, number 2 always win as long as you crave the modern equivalent of church records for that time, which is rarely found. I'm for plausible connections with a foot note stating why it's there and how, because, this will help the puzzle more combined with DNA from the amount of people adding their ancestors, tracing their roots,
it's more helpful rather than the opposite, to allow certain connections to remain. First once really proven false, it can easily be disjointed.

I received an email from FTDNA - My mtDNA results show I am a mtDNA relative of Ludwig van Beethoven. Less than 1,000 testers are a part of this surprising new result, and you are one of them! Genetic Distance 1 Ludwig van Beethoven Earliest Known Ancestor Maria Magdalena Becker (1651-1720) Bernkastel H1b1-T16362C
Steve

Steve Bolin awesome and amazing

Wow! And glad to see Beethoven sequence released to us customers.

I took a screenshot of my mtDNA match with him, but not sure how to attach it or where to attach it at.
Ludwig van Beethoven rnd@genebygene.com
I-FT396000 Y-DNA HAPLOGROUP
H1b1-T16362C mtDNA HAPLOGROUP
Earliest Known Ancestors Paternal:Ludwig van Beethoven - Paternal ancestry uncertain Maternal:Maria Magdalena Becker (1651-1720) Bernkastel About MeLudwig van Beethoven was a German composer and pianist. He is one of the most famous and admired composers in Western music, and his works are amongst the most performed in classical music. Read more: https://blog.familytreedna.com/beethoven-first-dna-test/

You could upload as a document and then tag to the daughters between Maria and you.

And if I follow correctly, you have a brick wall (parents unknown) at Martha C Sparks Maybe now there’s directions for research.

Hmmm now I have to check out Steve's because we are double-cousins way back there.

They tested his Ludwig van Beethoven's hair strands, his y-DNA doesn't match today's Van Beethoven descendants, which means a break in the male line, an affair.

https://www.forensicmag.com/595562-Beethoven-and-the-Father-of-DNA-...

His Mitochondrial analysis showed that he belonged to a common European haplogroup called H1b1-T16362C.

But perhaps most surprisingly, DNA analysis revealed Ludwig’s Y chromosome doesn’t match any of the five modern-day relatives carrying the same last name. That finding indicates the birth of a child resulting from an extramarital affair in Ludwig’s direct paternal line. Meanwhile, on his maternal side, Ludwig shares ancestry with James Watson, co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA.

Hair samples
An international research team collected and authenticated eight hair samples believed to belong to the composer from public and private collections in the UK, continental Europe and the U.S. The team says they relied on recent improvements in ancient DNA analysis that have enabled whole-genome sequencing from small quantities of historical hair.

They found at least two of the locks did not belong to Ludwig, including a famous one once believed to have been cut from the recently deceased composer’s head by the 15-year-old musician Ferdinand Hiller. Previous analysis of the “Hiller lock” supported the suggestion that Beethoven had lead poisoning, partially explaining his health complications. However, this research team showed that lock originated from a woman.

One of the five positively identified samples was hand-delivered from Ludwig himself to pianist Anton Halm in April 1826. Another was so well-preserved that the research team was able to sequence Ludwig’s whole genome.

Genealogical surprise
Using the hair samples, the research team initially planned a routine analysis of Ludwig’s paternal line by examining his Y chromosome. They contacted living descendants of Aert Van Beethoven (1535–1609), Ludwig’s supposed 5th great-grandfather. Five descendants of Aert agreed to take a DNA test—but that’s here it gets messy.

To the researchers’ surprise, the descendants were not a match. According to FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA), the five present-day descendants of Aert Van Beethoven belong to haplogroup R1b, whereas Ludwig belongs to haplogroup I1. Those two father lines are separated by over 45,000 years, since around the time humans left Africa.

This strongly indicates that there was an extra-pair-paternity (EPP) event in Ludwig’s father’s line. Somewhere, starting with Ludwig’s father Johann and going up his family tree to his 5th great grandfather Aert, one of these Beethovens wasn’t a biological ancestor to Ludwig.

The team showed that Aert was indeed the father of his two sons Jan and Lambert, but could not definitively prove Aert was the father of Hendrik, Ludwig’s 4th great-grandfather. Assuming Aert was Hendrik’s true father, perhaps Ludwig’s grandfather Lodewijk was not his true biological grandfather.

Meanwhile, on his mother’s side, Ludwig’s genealogy traces back to the Rhineland-Palatinate region in Germany in the 1600s. Mitochondrial analysis showed that he belonged to a common European haplogroup called H1b1-T16362C.

He came up, his mother has the same European haplogroup called H1b1-T16362C as I

and Billions of other European heritage peeps

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