Edward Howell, Sr. - Relationship from About note

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Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford, Surety of the Magna Carta is Richard Woodhull's 12th great grandfather.
Richard Woodhull
→ Lawrence Woodhull, of Thenford
his father → Sir Fulk Woodhull, Kt.
his father → Elizabeth Woodhull (Parr)
his mother → Sir William Parr, II, 1st Baron Parr of Horton
her father → Elizabeth Vaux (Fitzhugh)
his mother → Sir Henry Fitzhugh, 5th Baron Fitzhugh of Ravensworth
her father → Margery Fitzhugh (Willoughby)
his mother → Lucy Willoughby (le Strange)
her mother → Aline le Strange (FitzAlan)
her mother → Alice de Warenne, Countess of Arundel
her mother → Joan de Vere
her mother → Robert de Vere, 5th Earl of Oxford
her father → Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford
his father → Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford, Surety of the Magna Carta
his father

Edward Howell, Sr. is Richard Woodhull's father-in-law.

Does the About need correction or are the relationships in need of correction?

Third cousin fourteen times removed? Or, even more obscure " daughter's husband's 12th great grandfather?" Why is this even a thing?
Edward Howell, Gent. is one of my 9th ggrandfathers and I can't see the significance.

Private User did you bother to look at the About statement?
This is about having a correct genealogy for the man as well as having the About match the profile.
If it is accurate, the tree is wrong. If it is not correct, the About needs corrected.

I am a direct from each but THEY are not showing as direct to/from each other and THAT is the question.

I need a curator please :)

Typically when a profile says or I see a statement somewhere that an individual is "descended from" or "closely related to", I like to check the relationship...
I have corrected a handful of profiles using public sources and some of these are historical but a Magna Carte Surety Baron is way removed from what I am comfortable tweaking the tree.

I ran the pushpin from him to the surety baron and see that a relative of his IS showing as a direct descendant and that is why I added that relationship path.

These are both curated profiles.
I was hoping someone could verify the About statement.
It is simply an aside or By The Way that I am showing descended from both of these men per their profiles pushpinned to me but I do not see the relationship pushpin between them linking them as ancestral grandfather/grandson

The Geni poster commented he "can't see the significance".
This is the significance
Not MY and neither his relationship path
:)

Do I have the correct profile for Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Vere ?
Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford, Surety of the Magna Carta

This is at the bottom of the About:

Acknowledgements
Magna Carta Project ===:
Name
is listed in Magna Carta Ancestry as a :Category:Gateway Ancestors|Gateway Ancestor (vol. I, pages xxiii-xxix) in a Richardson-documented trail to :Category:Surety Barons|Magna Carta Surety Baron De_Vere-309|Robert de Vere (vol. II, pages 418-426 HOWELL). This trail, along with a trail to Quincy-226|Saher de Quincy, were approved by the Project:Magna Carta|Magna Carta Project in 2015and are in need of re-review. The trails are outlined in the Hawten-1#Magna Carta Trails|Magna Carta Trails section of his mother's profile.
Needs Re-review: This profile needs re-review against the project's Space:Magna_Carta_Project_Checklist|checklist to bring it up to current project standards. ~ Thiessen-117|Thiessen-117 21:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
: See Space:Magna_Carta_Team_Base_Camp|Base Camp for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's Space:Magna Carta Project Glossary|glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howell-151
Wikitree says he is
Magna Carta Gateway Ancestor
Descendant of Surety Barons Robert de Vere, Saher de Quincy, and possibly others (see text).
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I'm looking for the official path. The genealogy from him to Edward :)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Relationship

Direct Relationship Found
12th great grandson
1. Edward is the son of Margaret (Hawten) Howell (1561-abt.1638) [unknown confidence]
2. Margaret is the daughter of Margery (Croker) Hawten (abt.1527-abt.1595) [unknown confidence]
3. Margery is the daughter of John (Croker) Crocker Esq. (abt.1500-1569) [unknown confidence]
4. John is the son of Alice (Dormer) Croker (abt.1460-) [unknown confidence]
5. Alice is the daughter of Alice (Collingridge) Dormer (abt.1438-1513) [unknown confidence]
6. Alice is the daughter of William Collingridge (abt.1413-) [unknown confidence]
7. William is the son of Alice (FitzAlan) Collingridge (abt.1385-abt.1447) [unknown confidence]
8. Alice is the daughter of Ranulph (FitzAlan) de Arundel (abt.1359-) [unknown confidence]
9. Ranulph is the son of Richard (FitzAlan) de Arundel (abt.1314-1376) [unknown confidence]
10. Richard is the son of Alice (Warenne) de Arundel (abt.1287-bef.1338) [confident]
11. Alice is the daughter of Joan (de Vere) de Warenne (abt.1264-bef.1293) [confident]
12. Joan is the daughter of Robert de Vere (abt.1240-bef.1296) [confident]
13. Robert is the son of Hugh de Vere (abt.1210-bef.1263) [confident]
14. Hugh is the son of Robert de Vere (aft.1164-bef.1221) [confident]
This makes Robert the 12th great grandfather of Edward.

Ok-- here's where he is cut off: Alice Croker
She has no parents.

Here is her Wikitree counterpart: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dormer-27

Wikitree:
Magna Carta Surety Baron Descendant
Alice Dormer is in trails badged by the Magna Carta Project to surety barons Robert de Vere and Saher de Quincy (see text below).

Contents
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1 Biography
2 Sources
3 Acknowledgements
3.1 Magna Carta Project
Biography
"ALICE DORMER, daughter by her father’s 2nd marriage. She married THOMAS CROCKER (or CROKER), of Faringdon, Berkshire. They had one son, John, Esq. Thomas was presumably closely related to Richard Crocker, of Faringdon, Berkshire, Merchant of the Staple of Calais, who left a will dated 8 March 1519, proved 14 March 1519, naming his wife, Ellen, but no children (P.C.C. 27 Ayloffe).

"[Note: In 1570 John Dormer, of Steeple Barton, Oxfordshire, younger son of Sir Michael Dormer, Mayor of London above, stated in a letter that he had spoken with his “Cousin Croker” about a potential land sale. “Cousin Croker” is doubtless Sir Gerard Crocker, also of Steeple Barton, Oxfordshire, who was the grandson of Alice Dormer, wife of Thomas Crocker above [References: Shakespeare Centre Library and Archive: Archer of Tanworth, DR 37/2/Box 87/8, DR 37/2/Box 87/9; abstract of documents available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp; see also Lee Hist., Description & Antiquities of …Thame (1883): 504– 516 (Dormer pedigree); Stapleton Three Oxfordshire Parishes: Hist. of Kidlington, Yarnton & Begbroke (Oxford Hist. Soc. 24) (1893): 73–75; VCH Oxford 11 (1983): 59–75; ]. In 1587 John Crocker, of Steeple Barton, Oxfordshire, son and heir of Sir Gerard Crocker, conveyed a one-fifth part of the manor of Kidlington, Oxfordshire to Brasenose College, Oxford. Joining him in the conveyance were his cousin, Michael Dormer, of Hampton Poyle, Oxfordshire, son of Ambrose Dormer, and grandson of Sir Michael Dormer, Mayor of London above; Edward Hawten, of the Lea (husband of his aunt, Margery Crocker); and John Bonner, of Swarford (husband of his aunt, Margaret Crocker)."[1]

Sources
↑ Douglas Richardson, "Ancestry of Edward Howell, of Southampton, Long Island", posted at the gen-medieval forum 2/26/2009.
See Also:

Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 420-423.
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 342-343.
Turner, William, Henry, ed., The Visitations of the County of Oxford, Vol 5. (London: Harleian Society, 1871), p. 185
Acknowledgements
Magna Carta Project
Alice (Dormer) Croker appears in Magna Carta Ancestry in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestor Edward Howell to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Vere (vol. II, pages 418-426 HOWELL). This profile also appers in a trail between Edward Howell and surety Saher de Quincy. Both trails were badged by the Magna Carta Project in 2015 and are in need of re-review. The trails are outlined in the Magna Carta Trails section of Margaret Hawten's profile.
Needs Re-review: This profile needs re-review against the project's checklist to bring it up to current project standards. ~ Thiessen-117 21:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

with a screenshot "Croker Pedigree from Oxford Visitation: https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Croker-41

This is the path I now get from Geni:
You
→
Richard Percival Parsons, Jr.
your father
→
Theodora Parsons (Winship)
his mother
→
Samuel Cooper Winship
her father
→
Mary Bulkeley Winship (Pierson)
his mother
→
Job Pierson
her father
→
Samuel Pierson
his father
→
Elizabeth Conkling Pierson
his mother
→
Abraham Pierson
her father
→
Susan Pierson (Howell)
his mother
→
Maj. John Howell
her father
→
Edward Howell, Gent.
his father
→
Margaret Howell (Hawten)
his mother
→
Margery Hawten (Croker)
her mother
→
John Crocker, Esq.
her father
→
Alice Croker (Dormer)
his mother
→
Alice Dormer (Collingridge)
her mother
→
Alice Collingridge (FitzAlan)
her mother
→
Ranulph FitzAlan of Arundel
her father
→
Richard Fitzalan, 3rd Earl of Arundel, 8th Earl of Surrey
his father
→
Alice de Warenne, Countess of Arundel
his mother
→
Joan de Vere
her mother
→
Robert de Vere, 5th Earl of Oxford
her father
→
Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford
his father
→
Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford, Surety of the Magna Carta
his father

Erica Howton does the About note need correction? Do the Magna Carte people say this or the Howell people?
He is not showing as direct at Geni.

Moving on

Erica Howton I am NOT looking for someone missing.
I am just passing through and saw the incongruency of the statement.
Someone decided he was a direct descendant

Looking---

Ahhh! It must not have synched when I checked??????
I am just always "happy" when the ABout and the profile match and esoecially when a relationship is documented.

Thank you so much, Erica Howton

Forgive the typos--- hunt/pecking with cold hands :/

Above is path at Wikitree for them:
Wikitree shows 12th but I trust your work

Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford, Surety of the Magna Carta is Edward Howell, Gent.'s 11th great grandfather.

Edward Howell, Gent.
→ Margaret Howell (Hawten)
his mother → Margery Hawten (Croker)
her mother → John Crocker, Esq.
her father → Alice Croker (Dormer)
his mother → Alice Dormer (Collingridge)
her mother → Alice Collingridge (FitzAlan)
her mother → Ranulph FitzAlan of Arundel
her father → Richard Fitzalan, 3rd Earl of Arundel, 8th Earl of Surrey
his father → Alice de Warenne, Countess of Arundel
his mother → Joan de Vere
her mother → Robert de Vere, 5th Earl of Oxford
her father → Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford
his father → Robert de Vere, 3rd Earl of Oxford, Surety of the Magna Carta
his father

He was not showing as direct here before and now he does.
Thank you for taking the time to do this and for clarifying for me

Understood :)