Craig Andrew Miles — our line in Geni follows the genealogies; that’s not the problem.
As far as I can tell, the dates aren’t a problem either. In your message right above, you give dates that supposedly are in Geni. But we do not have Hugh Willoughby born in 1380. We have circa 1380. We do not have Edmund at 1357. We have circa 1357.
When Isabel was first put into Geni, in 2008, she was given no birth date at all, which,as far as I am concerned, is the right one. In 2011 she was given a birthdate, which was c.1378. In 2020 I took the birth date out (probably because the guess was causing trouble, and we don’’t know what the date was anyway). THAT SAME DAY someone else put the birth date in as c. 1383. In June of this year, Erica took the birth date out again, bless her heart. Geni is now doing the best it can, bless its heart too, to estimate what her birthdate is, but it’s having trouble, on account of all the guesses on all her near relatives.
Agnes was not born in 1355; we have circa 1355. She originally had no birthdate at all; the c. 1355 got put in in 2011.
All of the “circa” dates can go 5 years one way or the other, but they were all estimates to begin with.
None of these dates are real. They are all guesses. They are mostly guesses that have a 10 year possible span.
I wish to high heaven that unless we have actual evidence, or failing that, a well thought out guess based not on how long people might be alive before they had children, but on histories, land grants, wills, court documents, letters, and the like, that we put NO birthdates into English profiles before 1358, which is when Cromwell managed to get Henry VIII to order all the churches in England to keep parish registers and write down births and deaths and marriages, because that is when we start having solid and regular evidence as to when people got born, and before that we do not.
I consider the genealogies with citations — Stirnet is using the Vistations — to be reliable, or at least fairly reliable. I consider the birthdates on all these profiles to be fantasies. So I sorta can’t get really concerned when they don’t match up.
However!
Perhaps we can find church court documents, and legal documents, and letters, and wills, and the like — household accounts would work, too, and so would churchwardens’ accounts — and get some actual real birthdates! And that would be wonderful. But it is not likely to happen.
I am so very sorry that I cannot be of more help in making this apparently untidy piece of the Tree more tidy.
Unless of course I were to be allowed to take all the birthdates out. As you see, Erica and I tried that with Isabel already. But users really want some dates. So they keep getting put back in.
