Agnes de Beaumont

AGNES

From Medlands:

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ROGER de Beaumont, son of HENRY de Beaumont Earl of Warwick & his wife Marguerite de Perche (-12 Jun 1153). Orderic Vitalis names “Rogerium et Rodbertum de Novoburgo” as the children of Henry and his wife[1315]. “Henricus…Warwicense consul et Margareta uxor mea et Rogerus noster filius” donated property to Warwick St Mary by undated charter[1316]. He was installed as Earl of Warwick before Easter 1123, in succession to his father, presumably when he came of age. “R. comes de Warwick” donated property to Warwick St Mary by undated charter witnessed by “Roberto de Novoburgo, G. fratre eius, Gundreda comitissa, Turstino de Montfort…”[1317]. “R. comes de Warwick” donated property to Warwick St Mary by undated charter witnessed by “Gundreda comitissa, Galfridus et Henricus fratres mei, Turstinus de Monteforti…”[1318]. He supported Stephen King of England in the civil war with Empress Matilda but joined the latter after the battle of Lincoln 2 Feb 1141, but by early 1142 he was again with King Stephen[1319]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1153 of "Rogero comite Warwicensi"[1320].

m as her first husband, GUNDRED de Warenne, daughter of WILLIAM [II] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Elisabeth de Vermandois [Capet] ([1120 or after]-after 1166). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Walerannus et Robertus...mater eorum” married secondly after the death of her first husband “secundo Willelmo de Warenna comiti Surreiæ” by whom she had “Willelmum tertium et duas filias” of whom “filiarum...primogenitam” married “comes Rogerus de Warwic”[1321]. Robert of Torigny names "Gondrada sorore uterine Galeranni comitis Mellenti" as wife of "Rogero comite Warwicensi"[1322]. Roger Earl of Warwick confirmed a donation to St Pierre, Préaux, by charter dated to [1123/53], witnessed by "Gundr comitissa, Henrico fratre meo"[1323]. “R. comes de Warwick” donated property to Warwick St Mary by undated charter witnessed by “Roberto de Novoburgo, G. fratre eius, Gundreda comitissa, Turstino de Montfort…”[1324]. “R. comes de Warwick” donated property to Warwick St Mary by undated charter witnessed by “Gundreda comitissa, Galfridus et Henricus fratres mei, Turstinus de Monteforti…”[1325]. She married secondly ([Jun 1153/56]) [as his second wife,] William de Lancaster "Taillebois" Lord of Kendale. An undated manuscript relating to Cokersand Abbey, Lancashire records that “Willielmum de Lancaster” married ”Gundredam prius comitissam de Warwyke”[1326]. Her second marriage date is dictated by the death of her first husband, recorded in Jun 1153. "Willelmus de Lancastre" donated property to Leicester, St Mary de Pré, with the consent of "Willelmi filii mei et hæredis et Gundredæ uxoris meæ", by charter dated to [1153/56][1327]. "Willelmus de Lancastre" donated pasture rights in "feodum meum in Lonisdale et in Aumundernesse" to Leicester, St Mary de Pré, with the consent of "Willelmi filii mei et heredis et Gundree uxoris mee", for the souls of "…Gilberti patris mei et Godithe matris mee et Jordani filii mei et Margarete filia Comitisse", by charter dated to [1156/60], witnessed by "Willelmo filio meo et herede, Gundr fil Comitisse…"[1328]. Farrer has suggested that the wording of this last document indicates that the wife of William de Lancaster was the daughter of Countess Gundred rather than the countess herself, suggesting that the latter must have been "well advanced in years" at the time of the marriage and implying that she would therefore have been past child-bearing age[1329]. It is correct that the wording of the document is curious as it appears inconsistent with both possibilities: if Gundred was "Comitisse", one would expect the first part of the document to read "Gundree Comitisse uxoris mee"; on the other hand, if she was Gundred the daughter, one would expect the subscription to read "Gundr fil Comitisse ux mee". The two names which are quoted above in the subscription list of the document dated to [1156/60] precede the subscribers who held religious positions. It would therefore be normal for them to be the same persons who are named in the body of the document, in the same order, giving their consent to the transaction. However, it is difficult to adopt an interpretation which contradicts the three different sources quoted above (Robert de Torigny, the undated manuscript, and the charter of King Henry II) which identify the countess as William’s wife.

Earl Roger & his wife had [six] children:

1. WILLIAM (-Palestine 15 Nov 1184). The Annals of Waverley record that “Willelmus filius eius” succeeded on the death of “Rogero comite Warvicensi” in 1153[1330]. He succeeded his father in 1153 as Earl of Warwick. The Annals of Waverley record the death in 1184 of “Willelmus comes Warevici”[1331]. m firstly MARGERY d'Eiville, daughter of JOHN d'Eiville & his wife ---. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. The Complete Peerage records her parentage and marriage but the source which it cites has not yet been identified[1332]. m secondly (before 28 Dec 1175) MATILDA de Percy, daughter of WILLIAM de Percy & his first wife Alice de Tonbridge (-[Nov 1202/13 Oct 1204], bur Fountaine Abbey). A manuscript genealogy of the Percy family names “Matildem et Agnetem” as the daughters and heiresses of “Willielmus de Percy”, adding that Matilda married “Willielmo comiti Warrewyk” but died childless[1333]. “Mathildis de Percy comitissa de Warwic, filia Willielmi de Perci” donated property to Sawley abbey, for the souls of “Willielmi comitis Warwich quondam sponsi mei…patris mei Willielmi de Percy et Adalidis de Tunbrige matris meæ et Alani de Percy fratris mei et Agnetis sororis meæ”, by undated charter[1334]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "comitissa de Warewyke" paying "xv l de parte sua de feodo Willelmi de Percy" in Yorkshire[1335].

2. WALERAN (-[24 Dec 1203]). The Annals of Waverley record that “Wallerannus” succeeded “fratri suo Willelmo in comitatu Warevici” in 1185[1336]. He succeeded his brother in 1184 as Earl of Warwick.

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3. [HENRY . Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”comes Rogerus de Warwic” and “secundo Willelmo de Warenna comiti Surreiæ...filiarum...primogenitam” had “Henricum et plures alios et duas filias”[1337]. However, Robert of Torigny names "Henricus filius suus" as son and successor of "Rogero comite Warwicensi" & his wife[1338], clearly confusing him with William. Assuming that the two sources are based on common information, it is likely that Henry did not exist.]

4. AGNES . The marriage settlement of "Rogerus comes Warr…Agnetem filiam meam" and "Gaufrido camerario" is undated, witnessed by "…Roberto fratre meo et Gaufrido et Henrico…Hastecill de Haruc…Willelmus de Glint[ona]…Hug[one] de Glint[ona] et Maur[icio] fratre eius…"[1339]. "Gaufridus de Clintone" confirmed the donation of land "in…Chersintona" made to Eynsham abbey by "Willelmus de Clintone patruus meus" by charter dated to [before 1152] witnessed by "Agnes uxor mea, Willelmus de Plan, Osbertus de Clint[one]…"[1340]. “Gaufridus camerarius de Clintona” founded Bretford nunnery in Warwickshire by undated charter, witnessed by “Agnete uxore mea cum filio meo Henrico...Osbertus de Clintona...”[1341]. m GEOFFREY de Clinton, son of GEOFFREY de Clinton & his wife Lesceline --- (-after 1166).

5. [MARGARET (-before [1156/60]). Her parentage is deduced from a charter under which "Willelmus de Lancastre" donated pasture rights in "feodum meum in Lonisdale et in Aumundernesse" to Leicester, St Mary de Pré, with the consent of "Willelmi filii mei et heredis et Gundree uxoris mee", for the souls of "…Gilberti patris mei et Godithe matris mee et Jordani filii mei et Margarete filia Comitisse", by charter dated to [1156/60], witnessed by "Willelmo filio meo et herede, Gundr fil Comitisse…"[1342]. "Willelmus de Lancastre" donated pasture rights in "feodum meum in Lonisdale et in Aumundernesse" to Leicester, St Mary de Pré, with the consent of "Willelmi filii mei et heredis et Gundree uxoris mee", for the souls of "…Gilberti patris mei et Godithe matris mee et Jordani filii mei et Margarete filia Comitisse", by charter dated to [1156/60], witnessed by "Willelmo filio meo et herede, Gundr fil Comitisse…"[1343]. The Complete Peerage makes the assumption that “Gundrede uxoris mee” and “Comitisse” in this document refer to the same person[1344]. The charter of King Henry II which records that “primus Willielmum de Lancaster, baronem de Kendale, qui prius vocabatur de Tailboys” married “Gundredam comitissam Warwic”[1345], certainly suggests that this assumption is probably correct, but the point must be made that the question is not entirely without doubt.]

6. [GUNDRED (-[1200/08]). Her parentage is deduced from a charter under which "Willelmus de Lancastre" donated pasture rights in "feodum meum in Lonisdale et in Aumundernesse" to Leicester, St Mary de Pré, with the consent of "Willelmi filii mei et heredis et Gundree uxoris mee", for the souls of "…Gilberti patris mei et Godithe matris mee et Jordani filii mei et Margarete filia Comitisse", by charter dated to [1156/60], witnessed by "Willelmo filio meo et herede, Gundr fil Comitisse…"[1346]. The Complete Peerage makes the assumption that “Gundrede uxoris mee” and “Comitisse” in this document refer to the same person[1347]. The charter of King Henry II which records that “primus Willielmum de Lancaster, baronem de Kendale, qui prius vocabatur de Tailboys” married “Gundredam comitissam Warwic”[1348], certainly suggests that this assumption is probably correct, but the question is not entirely without doubt. The question of Gundred’s supposed marriages is not completely clear either. It is certain that the second wife of Hugh Bigod Earl of Norfolk was named Gundred, as documents show that “Gundred, widow of Hugh Earl of Norfolk”, disputed her husband’s inheritance after his death[1349]. It also clear that the wife of Roger de Glanville was “countess Gundred”: a charter of King Henry II confirmed donations to Bungay Nunnery by “Rogeri de Glanvill et Gundredæ comitissæ uxoris meæ” of property at Bungay[1350]. It is probably a safe conclusion that Roger de Glanville’s “countess Gundred” was the widow of the earl of Norfolk as no other countess of this name has been identified at that time in England. However, problems arise when attempting to link the supposed daughter of Roger Earl of Warwick with these two marriages. The Complete Peerage cites a series of documents based on which, it suggests, the link is a reasonable assumption[1351]. However, on closer examination, the only one of these documents which provides any indication of a connection is the Red Book of the Exchequer, in which the 1166 return of William Earl of Warwick (Gundred’s supposed brother) shows that he had received Bungay in exchange from the Earl of Leicester[1352]. However, this provides only circumstancial evidence regarding the link and, if this is the only indication available, it cannot safely be concluded that the link is proved beyond all doubt. The safest position is therefore to show Gundred and her supposed two marriages in square brackets. m firstly as his second wife, HUGH Bigod Earl of Norfolk, son of ROGER Bigod of Earsham, Suffolk & his second wife Alice de Tosny ([1095]-before 9 Mar 1177). m secondly as his second wife, ROGER de Glanville, son of ROBERT de Glanville & his wife --- (-after Apr 1192).]

AGNES de Beaumont

Curator comment by Pam Wilson 15 November 2015

disconnected from Robert de Beaumont/Meulan/Leiciester and Eliz/Isabelle de Vermandois since she is not listed as their daughter.

Curator comment by Janet Palo-Jackson 10 Dec 2011

disconnected from William de Saye, son of Robert and Adeloyes. Marriage date of 1107 given for Agnes de Beaumont does not match birth of William's son Willliam b. abt 1107. William de Saye, son of Robert and Adeloyes, m. Agnes de Grentmesnil, daughter of Hugh Grentmesnil and Adeliza de Beaumont.

Curator comment by Terry Jackson 29 March 2011:

Looks like this is actually Agnes d/o Robert de Beaumont and Isabelle de Vermandois m: Guillaume d'Ivry.

Curator comment by Terry Jackson 31 Oct 2010:

I am a little puzzled by this profile at the moment

Henri De Newburgh and Margarite de Hauteville had 3 children 2 of which were daughters: Margaret who married IVO de Grantmesnil .and Isabel who married ROBERT de Possi. So it doesn't look like this person was the daughter of Henri De Newburgh.

The elder Henri de Neuburg had no daughters

The first Earl of Warwick was NOT Henry de Newburg but Henry de Beaumont s/o Roger and Adeline. He married Margurite de Perche and again no daughters. He was the father of Roger de Beaumont, Robert de Neuberg, Routrou, Geoffrey, & Henri de Newburgh

The other names on either of the 2 proflies don't seem to help.There were several people called Amaury de Montfort Seigneur de Montfort-l'Amaury and Comtes d'Evreux one of which married MABEL of Gloucester, daughter of WILLIAM FitzRobert Earl of Gloucester & his wife Avise de Beaumont (-1198). so This is the most likely candidate I can find to fit these profiles however as she died in 1198 that would make her rather old as she was apparantly either born in 1104 or 1110.

Simon Eureux is also elusive. This could be Simon d'Evreux.

William Say has also been mentioned. This is what Medlands says about Guillaume de Say:

,    [AGNES .  Agnes is shown as the possible daughter of Robert de Beaumont and wife of Guillaume de Say in Europäische Stammtafeln[1985], but the basis for this suggestion is not known.  It is possible that there is confusion with Agnes, daughter of Hugues de Grantmesnil, who married "William de Say" (see above).  The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.  m GUILLAUME Sire de Say Baron d'Aunay.