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Irish & Scots Female Ancestor Names in Primary Sources

Started by Justin Durand on Monday, October 10, 2016
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Irish and Scottish names are hard for a lot of people. Here's a nice blog post from Barry R McCain at McCain's Corner:

"Most people are familiar with male surnames in Gaelic; Ó means “descendant of” and Mac means “son of.” Mag is an alternative spelling of Mac and was sometimes used when the name that follows it began with a vowel. The ladies used a similar system. Girls and unmarried women with surnames that began with Ó would have Ní before their surname. Girls and unmarried women whose family surname began with Mac would use Nic."

"Married women would take their husbands names, but the prefix form was different than the male form. Ó became Uí and Mac became Mhic. This name change did not always hide the surname of the woman’s father however. In traditional Gaelic society some women were known by their maiden names due to the strong sense of family and clan affiliation."

Two examples from the mid to late 1500s. See ...
Irish & Scots Female Ancestor Names in Primary Sources
http://barryrmccain.blogspot.com/2016/10/irish-and-scots-female-anc...

Good to know. Thankyou. I'll add to the Medieval Scots and Irish projects.

He writes "Married women would take their husbands names....." but both examples he uses shows differently. Interesting!

Thank you so much for that interesting information. I greatly appreciate it. Clears up many questions for me.

Thanks Heaps :)

You know this naming convention used often in Scottish and Cornish:
The first son was named after the father's father
The second son after the mother's father
The third son after the father
The fourth son after the father's eldest brother
The first daughter after the mother's mother,
The second daughter after the father's mother
The third daughter after the mother
The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister

I am finding now in South Australian records, the middle name is often supposed mothers maiden name, where it was not before, must be careful of "after the fact" additions.

Justin Durand Thank you for the very interesting information.
It helps a lot.
Regards
Judi

Most informative Justin and am goingo cut past into David's profile as future reference
since he is the 1st scots born ancestor of my children his children being 1st generation Americans on the paternal side at least . -

I would give anything to break through the Burns/Thomas and allied lines and get back far enough to connect them with the Scottish ancestors i have - but probably about six generations off of doing it and i doubt it will happen to many brick walls -

> Married women would take their husbands names but both examples he uses shows differently

I noticed that too. My experience is that women in this area and period are almost always called by their birth names, sometimes by both names, and only occasionally by just their married names. Just enough to suggest that it was something comprehensible to them but not the common usage.

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