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Dÿhring / Dyring / Doring/ Döhring and Neuhaus and Walberg

Started by Ørn Myhre on Sunday, February 26, 2017
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I am researching my mothers side of the family, and it turns out that my 5 times great grandfather was Christian Wilhelm Sigfredsen Döhring born in 1802 in Windau Ventspilis in Latvia. His father was Siegfreid Döhring. Christian moved to Norway and had many descendants in Norway, my mother being one of them. As far as I know, we have all kept the Döhring name, only in Norwegian we write it as Dyring.

Little is known about Christian except that he was a Jew, his father Siegfrid is supposed to be Russian Jew. If anybody has any hints or leads so that I can find out more information about him, and perhaps discover relatives in Latvia I would highly appreciate it. Christian disappears in 1832, supposedly drown on his way back to Latvia to visit his mother.

I am also researching my wifes side of the family and her mother. My wifes mothers fathers side of the family has the names Neuhaus and Walberg. My mother in-laws grandfather was Tora Neuhaus (spelled Nyhus in Norway). Toras grandmoter came from the Walberg family. Very little is known about them except that they lived in Gubrandsdalen in Norway, a small town called Otta and Vågå in the county of Oppland. I am not sure, but it looks like the Neuhaus family and Walberg family came to Norway as early as 1600. Perhaps as marranos. I do believe Christian on my side of the family could have marrano as well.

I did google the name Newhouse and the pictures of the american Newhaus family has a striking resemblance to my wifes side of the family. Both Newhouse sr and Newhouse jr almost looks like brothers of my wife with the same family features.

Ørn Myhre Just to let you know:

If your sixth great grandfather was Jewish, it doesn't necessarily mean that your fifth great grandfather is Jewish. It's based on the mother's side only, and unless his mother was Jewish, he's not Jewish....

I believe we are talking about two different things here.

Ørn det er muligt du kan få flere svar ved at blive medlem af jewishgen.com De har liste over de forskellige land hvor man kan search sine forfædre hvis de var etniske jøder.

Undskyld. jewishgen.org
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/

I started this thread earlier today just as I was walking out the door on my way to work. But I can clearify a little:

My 5 times great grandfather moved to Norway, and because of this, I have managed to establish that he married a jew living in Norway. I would guess they where marranos, but I know for a fact (based on what family members have told me) that there is a maternal line going from Christian to my grandmother who I know was a Jew. But I also know (based on what my grandmother told me) that this line practiced judaism in secret. So I know for a fact that everybody from Christian up to my grandmother was a marrano jew who practiced judaism in secret, and outwardly lived as a Christian.

So I know my fith grandfather was Jewish for sure, and based on what the elderly in my family have told me, his mother in Latvia was Jewish.

As I mentioned I am researching 2 different things, my side of the family on my mothers side and my wifes side of the family on her mothers side.

My wifes grandfather (my mothers in-laws father) was born in Northern parts of Norway. His father came from Gubrandsdalen in the southern parts of Norway, a place called Otta. When my wifes grandfather was a young man up north, he came into contact with a man who said he knew my wifes grandfathers family from Otta. According to this man from Otta, my wifes grandfathers family where all Jews. My wifes grandfather knew nothing about this, he had never heard anything about his father and mother being Jewish. But during the war, he was several times questioned by the nazis because they believed he was jewish by apperances. He always denied it, and they found any proof he was Jewish.

Nobody in my wifes family had looked into this until my wife and I started researching a while ago. We soon discovered how the second great grandmother of my wifes maiden name was Nyhusen. Her parents (the parents of my wifes second great grandmother) both had the name Nyhusen as their family names.

On the mothers side of my wifes second great grandmother we found the names Walberg.

The name Nyhusen is translated as Newhouse or in German Neuehaus. In Norway its an unusual name, and when we googled the name we came across the American family Newhouse. We have never ever seen such a resemblance between that family and my wifes grandfather on my wifes mothers side. The Newhouse family in USA and my wifes family on her mothers side looks like they could be close relatives. Newhouse sr looks like a brother of my wifes grandfather. And Newhouse jr looks like a brother of my wifes two brothers.

Walberg and Newhouse are unusul names in Norway. I know Jews from eastern parts of Europe and Jews from Spain where allowed into the Norwegian Kingdom as early as 1600. And as far we know, the name Newhouse shows up in a list of Jewish surnames along with the name Walberg.

So we dont know, but all of these things put together, the person my wifes grandfather met who said his family were Jews, the unusual names, the family resemblance makes us wonder if there could be any truth in the rumor that was started a long time ago when my wifes grandfather was told by a foreigner from Otta that his family where Jews.

So we are indeed talking about 2 different things. My side of the family and my wifes side of the family.

To recap: I know my fith great grandfather was a Jew, I know the lineage from him to my grandmother were all Jews. (the maternal line) Norway is not very friendly to Jews, so that is perhaps why they chose to remain secret Jews. But it would be interesting to know more about the parents of my firth great grandfather. And based on family history, verbal family history, the mother of my fift great grandfather in Latvia was a Jew. But I am kind of stuck in researching the parents of my 5 times great grandfather, and I dont know for sure he drowned at sea. That is only a rumor in the family.

The other thing I am researching is my wifes maternal line. She and her family only had heard a rumor based on what a stranger had told my wifes grandfather. This stranger claimed to know the parents and family of my wifes grandfather (he came from the same town as the parents of my wifes grandfather) and he said they where all Jews. My wifes grandfather had never heard anything about this, and when he brought it up, he was told by his siblings to never speak about this. And during the war, the nazis questioned him several times because they believed he was Jewish but they could never prove it.

Nobody in her family had researched this until my wife and I decided to do it. And we came across the names Nyhus (Newhouse) and Walberg on my wifes maternal line. We have managed to trace it back to 1743 in Norway. And we know Jews where not allowed in Norway until 1850. But we do know as a fact that Jews first came to Norway as early as 1600, that was Jews from Eastern Europe and Spain. So we dont know, but we are wondering if perhaps her maternal line up until her great grandfather and great grandmother could have been marrano Jews, practicing judaism in secret?

Jonathan, I have tried jewisgen when it comes to my side of the family without success. I have also tried the national archives of Latvia, but I dont speak Russian and I dont understand German they way they wrote it in the church books back then.

So I am kind of stuck, also when it comes to my side of the family.

Any tips or hints would be highly appreciated.

I don't speak German but I have figured out to parse the Synagogue books from Czechia also in gothic German script, you just need an alphabet page, there are two different ones that I use, i think they are posted here, or maybe look at one of the projects for Czech Jewish genealogy, (if it was German language it was probably the same cursive script in Latvia as in Czechia) it takes a little while, but its possible. As for the Russian, Help! I know what you mean. My mothers fathers family comes from Odessa in 1907, I am sure I could find out a lot about them, if I could read cyrillic...

Thanks Jonathan, I will look into that. I did not know there existed such a thing as an alphabet page. Most of the time its no problem reading Norwegian church books, even though some of them had very poor handwriting that made it almost impossible to read. But i have struggled with reading German cursive script, so an alphabet page helps.

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