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Sub-branch with no known names

Started by Private User on Friday, June 19, 2020
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Hello,

I'm currently working on rabbi Yitzhak Isaac Bogorad, ABD of Vitebsk, and yesterday I've found a source that lists some of his uncle's children. The names of the children and their mother aren't listed, but there are dates and locations. All the children died at a young age, so have no other relatives.

Would it be useful to add anonymous profiles for the wife and children, with the available data, or should I only list them in their father's About field?

For example, profiles: "NN, 1st wife of rabbi Zalman Stoczker", "NN, 1st child of rabbi Zalman Stoczker", "NN, 2nd child ...", etc with the known dates and locations in those profiles. (I place the parts after NN in the suffix field.)

+ Zalman's About field: "Had n children from his first wife: 1st: born X, died Y; 2nd: ...."

or just the About field, without the profiles?

Advantages of adding the profiles:
- Visible in tree view.
- Visible to Geni's algorithms.
- Known data goes where it's supposed to.
- Wife and children listed under relationships.

Disadvantages:
- A bunch of anonymous profiles.
- Cumbersome suffixes everywhere.
- Ugly.
- May mess with future matches?

Is there a best practice for when an entire sub-branch's names are unknown? Thoughts?

(The uncle in question: rabbi Zalmale Stoczker )

Michael - I am no authority, but I can tell you how I handle this exact situation .... I ALWAYS put a "holding place profile" for those who I know existed, but for whom I do not have a name. I do this specifically because my plan is to always find that missing name. This holding profile allows me to put / connect other profiles to the tree, as I always then have a place to make the correct family connections. I also do this for a birth thatj died at or near birth - a name I very well never be able to find ... One other point, whatever namiing convention you create for these "place holdind profiles," make sure it is one you can maintain and then be forever consisrant ... Certainly hope this helps. RGS

There are at least 1100 people named "placeholder" on Geni. Search on this name and see how it has been done by others for some ideas.

Thank you for your replies.

To clarify a bit, I know that placeholders are often used to bridge gaps between named profiles. I've read https://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Naming_Conventions#Naming_Placeholders , https://www.geni.com/discussions/87301 , and https://www.geni.com/discussions/148675 , and I've used them myself. The issue here is that the entire sub-branch would be _only_ placeholders. Furthermore, since the children died at a young age, I know they won't have descendants or spouses.

At the moment, I am leaning towards adding the profiles. The advantages seem greater than the disadvantages. But I'd still like to hear more opinions.

Hello
I am probably not the right person to join the discussion on Jewish genealogy, since to my knowledge there is no one of my wider family of Jewish origin. I am using only Slovenian transcription for the local names/surnames. Besides, I am using only the free GENI, which has a very limited view in to records marked as private.
At the time of my interest of naming I insisted in and I use myself surnames of wife’s or partners with maiden surnames only. Someone or GENI automatically converted married woman to husband’s surname. This is not legally required any more and is not useful for those looking for wife’s relatives. This is what I suggest and demand to anyone invited to our family tree.
I personally didn’t meet an occasion that persons were input as XX . I expect that may happen to missing children during WWII, where someone knows that they lived, but were gone in KZ.
What in bordering me recently is, that suffixes and prefixes were marked as false by GENI. I stick to law that suffixes obtained by University study are following the name but the scientific grades after original universal study are put Infront od the name.
I wish you success on your investigations
Janez

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